Roger Bernard Receives Nomination for SWRC President

 Roger Bernard, executive secretary of Central States, has received nomination for SWRC president. Several interviews of potential candidates were conducted and Pastor Bernard received the majority nomination. This news has probably began to circulate however, this blog complies with the directives of conference officials to wait 48 hours before releasing information. Additionally, the TFS blog does not condone leaks that undermined the nominating committee process by leaking information to other sources. The TFS blog conducts a thorough reliable source and fact  check before posting. Several ministers have reported a strong disdain for the tactics of Pastor Robert Davis and Pastor Theodore Weegar. Their acceptance of these nominations have divided the ministerial leadership of SWRC. This coming meeting will be a passionate discussion led by ministers with very valid arguments.

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  4. Call a spade a spade! says:

    Griffin from the Union nominated his son for the education position. The same son that worked 13+ for Arlington ISD that refused to hire him back. I wonder why??? Then he went to Burton and knew about the teacher having relationships with a minor. Got removed from there. Then went to an SDA school in Michigan and got fired from there!!! Yet you voted in someone inefficient to lead our education system! I guess SWRGC wants its first scandal like Burton in Texas Conference! Very sad day indeed!

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    • Anonymous says:

      The sad day was watching ministers who are God’s representatives act in such unsavory manner. I had more than one member came up to me and referred to two ministers as the devil! How can members be spiritually nourished by these so called men of God? A revival and reformation are needed first among the clergy before it can be effective in our churches. I am certainly praying for a renewal in this conference. I believe it will happen and those who refuse will be dealt with as God sees fit. Praying that God will bless me and my family to do His will.

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  5. Jonah 77 says:

    At Dr. Stanley, Constituent:

    Dr. Stanley, I appreciate your ability to speak out. To read and then make an objective argument. I certainly hope and pray that others will step up and be the voice of reason during this serious decision point. Your reasoning is very sound with respect to Calvin Watkins vs. Roger Bernard vs..any outsider that wishes to take up the mantle. While you are politically correct to save your comments for Constituency Meeting regarding the nominees for Secretary and Ministerial, I would offer sarcastically, ” Have you committed a sin in your assessment of the current situation of the SWRC?

    I ask seriously, Should readers of this forum be castigated by their church leadership as doers of evil because they exercise the free will given by God to make an important spiritual decision? While many would love to possibly reveal who they are, one must consider the cost of being revealed to those who wish to do them harm professionally.

    Constituent, Delegates also have to go back to their churches where they may face backlash from leadership for voting the right way. I believe it will all work out but I truly think that the process is corrupt. God is merciful, and in his mercy, I believe that all of the political drama unfolding will yield His Way regardless. So do what is right and stay informed. But whatever you do, be Christian in your way. What Say You?

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    • BACK FIELD IN MOTION says:

      Jonah77:

      Thank you for your perspective and balance. WS is encapsulated in stone. I have a jack hammer ready to save him.

      Yes, I’m back weighing in, in the back field catching fly balls, line drives and ground balls. In baseball language they call me the, “cushion.”

      Back Field In Motion

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  6. Winston Stanley says:

    It was the reformer Martin Luther who made famous the word’s “here I stand, I can do no other.” Well friends, as a Senior Pastor and one who has committed his talents and gifts to the SWRGC, I do believe I owe you complete honesty and transparency as to where I stand as an individual. While I choose not to tell my delegates “how to vote,” as their leader, I will give them my honest and sincere and fair assessment on issues and nominees for which we will convene and vote as to who will lead us the next term. Let me be as clear as crystal; my thinking and decision-making is governed totally by what I deem to be the “FELT NEEDS(Management and Finances),” [with emphasis], of SWRGC at this time.

    As I have stated, while I respect Roger B. as a Brother-in-Christ and Co-worker in the Adventist Church, but based on what I know Rogers talents and gifts (Youth and Pathfinder), I cannot lend my vote as president for the next term–with due respect to Roger. I cannot support C. Watkins–who indeed has a strong resume. However, I cannot lend my vote to C. Watkins based on the premise that his own conference respectively chose not to accept him as president, so why should we. If he was rejected there, why should we accept him here.

    SECRETARY AND MINISTEREAL: I have made myself crystal clear on R. Davis and T. Weegar; based solely on “felts needs” for SWRGC, and confidence issues (and I say that kindly), I cannot lend my support nor vote to these men at this time. The ministry and constituents need confidence in office leadership at this time un-like anytime before. Ministers should caucus and vote whom we deem should be our ministerial secretary.

    EDUCATION: Neither can I lend my vote to B. Griffith Jr. I believe teachers need someone of whom they can trust at this time and based on his tenure at previous post that he served, I cannot lend my vote. Again, teachers felt-needs are not being met here. I also have issues with the fact that he is the Chairman’s son by the way, B.Griffith Sr. Teachers were totally dis-respected by the Nominating Committee. They had absolutely no in-put as to who they would like to be their superintendent.

    HISPANICS MINISTRIES LEADER: With the Hispanics, I head they caucused, but the Nominating Committee chose not to lend their support to who they wanted. I believe the Hispanics voice should have been respected and upheld.

    A.Y: I cannot lend my vote to Rogers Johnson at this time. I believe Rogers serves Pathfinder well. The way Elder Douglas has been treated by my colleagues in ministry (actually lied about) stating, “he cannot relate to the youth,” is totally ill-fabricated. Elder Douglas is very capable! He served and related to youth well-before and assisted the previous youth director all the years before– “relating to youth,” well, why the sudden change now. It is a lie. I have to call it as it is. Furthermore, to not allow a man or woman time to display their gifts for one term cannot be justified. With Rogers Johnson, I also see an age factor.

    TREASURY: I can support the suggested nominee P Palmer.

    OTHER OFFICE POSITIONS: I say this respectfully, if you have served two terms, based on what I deem to be term limits, you should relinquish the position. At this time, I cannot lend you my vote. I am a believer in term-limits. There are men in this conference who can do these jobs very well. As I stated, if their names should surface I will give them my vote.

    CONCLUSION: I am of the belief, the process only failed due to selfishness. There are those on the Nominating Committee who were very self-seeking. Should we accept the nominees as given us and they are voted by the Constituents, as a pastor and individual, I see sheer dysfunction this next term and we will have defeated our purpose.

    I will be there and I will “choose my battles” that I deem need be fought. I pray the Pastors and Constituents” will take a stand to defeat those who are self-seeking. We need those who have the better interest of SWRGC at heart. I state this, so-that when you see me this weekend, you will know that … “here is where I stand” on issues and the nominees. Please respect that!

    [Constituent, in response to your question, I do have confidence the Administrative Assistants for the count of Delegates].

    MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON US!!!

    Sincerely-in-Christ,
    W.B. Stanley

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    • BACK FIELD IN MOTION says:

      WS:

      I have read your comment. Basically you are saying that you are the same today as you were yesterday. This may suggest that you are revealing something about who you are; like an unmovable person who maintains a persona shaped by a code comprised of principles that you will not bend or change because of cherished beliefs. Well, that’s you. A stone that never changes. Clay that can’t be molded. Wood that has no other purpose except to be wood. Eyes that see only what you desire to focus on. No person can live by this code in marriage, ministry, counseling and not fail WS. This can’t be you! don’t let this be you! This is why this present generation wants seniors out. Ouch!

      So let’s look at just a few sections of your comment of endorsements and non-endorsements fashioned from a rigid code etched in stone, front and back with your laws.

      First, the Nominating Committee did not give nor listen to our Hispanic brothers and sisters:

      Are you aware that they had their own agenda? They had representatives there and none made any real commotion or presented relevant information why Elder Mota should not be returned. Nor did you give any credible reasons. Were they eating tamales and the shines gobbling down greens and pork chops while the Anglo brothers were popping open some wine? Ludicrous!

      But most of, if not all of the Hispanics on the nominating committee had to have cast their votes for Pastor Bernard, Dr. Davis and Pastor Weagar. By interpreting what their votes meant would reveal to you that they want your job and anyone else who is 62 and above. Ouch!

      Not only are we in a generational war but we are seeing the beginning of a cultural war. In ten years or less I predict that the SWRC will elect the first Hispanic President of the Southwest Region Conference. And then what? Hey, I’m good with it. Why? My children will have to deal with it and yours too.

      Second, Pastor Tyrone Douglas:

      Who has TD stood for especially YOU and the other senior men who got the kick in the rear? TD did not get the AY spot because of your endorsement of him. He was a Dr. Jones’ man caught up in the jaws of Jones’ selfish behavior too who was running around the Conference to get the nomination for President. Ouch!

      Third, Calvin Watkins:

      If you were running for President in the SWRC and voted down, does that defeat mean you are not worthy to serve in any other Conference in the US or world? Ministers like yourself who have spent an entire career in the SWRC would have had a better chance if you went to another field and later returned. The longer you stay the more you are under appreciated! Because you are now 62 they want your resignation too.

      Since you carry a persona of no change, try putting Ted’s name up on the floor and “let’s see what happens.” At 7:30 am on Sunday morning when the Nominating Committee is suppose to hear concerns, be there and put up Ted Brown. I’ll be in line with my suggestion. Will it fly? Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!

      Last, you have served on the Nominating Committee in the Past:

      Did you do your very best? You may have won some and lost some. You may have wanted someone and lost someone. At the end of the day the political machines like the Rat Pack and Rat Pack2 selfishly, secretly and effectively secured up support and votes on the nominating committee with the aid of bad chairmanship. I say we have a bad, non democratic process and is the reason why we got Green and three nominated potential masters of disasters.

      Other than this, we are in pickle throwing the ball back and forth to put someone out! Ouch!Ouch!Ouch!Ouch!Ouch!Ouch!Ouch!Ouch!Ouch!Ouch!Ouch!Ouch!Ouch!Ouch!

      Back Field In Motion

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  7. pmoe says:

    While the election of officers is critical, delegates hopefully have not missed the constitution amendment that the conference association (when did that come about) will own church titles no longer holding them in trust only. I hope this gets voted down

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  8. CONSTITUENT says:

    Jonah, I liked your comment. Are you a minister? I do not blame you for not using your name. I would like to ask you, the TFS or Winston or anyone who knows, how many delegates are there, and what is the breakdown for every church? I’m inclined to agree with Pastor’s wife, that not even the ministers are going to know how many delegates they are supposed to have and I’m sure we cannot depend on the transparency of the office.

    The TFS has printed detail information before and will probably print this for us so we can make sure we have all the votes we are allowed. Appreciate if someone send it to the TFS. In previous elections, I know, to be president – a little over 300 votes are needed. Who knows? Please share.

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  9. Jonah 77 says:

    Well, the time to vote is upon us. Imagine if you will 2 distinct realities.

    OUTCOME #1
    1. The outcome of the swayed nominating committee process produces Bernard,Davis, Weegar etc…The ushering in of a new era…..so you are led to believe. Their first day in office they re-shuffle the board. Promises made to first rat pack are now null and void despite efforts to reach out and extend and olive branch to continue the old policies. Now they too are face with the buy out or an assignment to Alexandria, or Muskogee or worst. Meanwhile, younger generation ministers are now awarded with great churches they think they can handle but have no idea of the dynamics within these great organizations. The first camp meeting rolls around and now, the leadership in office starts to see just how bad things truly were financially. In less than a year you constituents will have “buyers remorse”. Watching the presidential debates should illustrate that if you don’t have a positive record with experience then you are not qualified. Saying what the people want to hear is different than actually getting things done.

    OUTCOME #2
    2. The constituents make a logical decision. They pair a younger minister with an experienced minister to fix the problems of 30+ years. 6 Months go by and tough decisions are made. But Transparency is teamed with a youthful and experienced approach to healing the great divide. A real strategic plan is developed. The ministerial association is re-invigorated to help develop pastors and not used as a political forum to better position the current secretary, who by the way, is behind the entire reality of scenario #1. The current buy out that was created by this administration is now reconstructed to provide dignity. A fair and professional approach is taken and the SWRC finally has a shot at being legitimate.

    But ladies and gentlemen, don’t blame the blog. The blog elects no one. The blog doesn’t move ministers and their families for speaking out. It doesn’t ask ministers to take a poor buy out so that the Senior Men whom the conference was built on break under the pressures of inexperienced men with selfishness in their hearts. The blog, didn’t make Sam Green do back door deals to the tune of millions of dollars in the dark, telling no one but. It doesn’t make the executive committee give a vote of no confidence to all of the leadership currently serving. The blog didn’t provide in the mask of prayer conferences, a means to hijack the nominating committee so that nominating committee members are now the only options.

    The blog is a forum for speaking out against the Rat Pack and Rat Pack 2.0. It is a means of looking objectively through diverse opinion, the serious issues that face this conference. Constituents should vote with their hearts. But people, use your brains!! Questions about a ministers background, temperament, and even second, second chance are relevant as we look to choose who will lead God’s church organization.

    But you Senior Men, you cowards who placed yourselves in this situation years ago because of the selfish desire in your own hearts. What Say you? All this talk of standing up and speaking out on the floor, I don’t believe it. You let Meyers take the fall for something that you all wanted to say or question. So if you don’t speak out, then you deserve whatever comes your way. And as I said before, you will go the way of the Dodo Bird, an animal that is extinct and that children ask adults if it really exist.

    What Say You?

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    • ICE says:

      (Jonah77)

      I love this post. Great work and thinking.

      Sunday morning is coming and we won’t call it the Refrigerator Perry. Let’s say: The SWRC Cold box.

      Chill!
      Ice

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  10. Dolomite 9 says:

    It is always wise before you buy ,to read about what you are buying.In the process of picking new officers for the SWRC,it is important to read before you vote.Ask questions and wait for answers before you vote on impulse and weep on the way home.Examine the track record of each individual seeking your vote and determine what are they doing now or what have they done that would merit your vote of confidence.Regarding the departmental people,you must look at their track record also.Unless their record shows that they gave their total efforts to making their department successful,they should not be returned to office.Some of the new men have come to this conference in the last 10 years and have been given preferential treatment over men who have borne the battle in the heat of the day like Elder Jones used to say!
    It is time to recognize the contributions that some of our senior unsung heroes have made while serving in obscurity.How can God bless a conference that willfully and repeatedly overlooks their own deserving workers and passes them over for men from other conferences that have come here under a shadow and are instantly put into churches or positions that rightfully should go to men who have sacrificed life and limb in this conference?Do you think God is pleased with this kind of blatant stupidity and hatred?Judgment Day is coming and you better mind!God showed Noah the rainbow sign,it won’t be water but fire next time!
    Of course we must love the soon to be former administration in spite of the spiteful and sometimes vindictive and yes hateful decisions that they made but wisdom dictates that their cup of iniquity is full so they have to go.Now it is time for us who stand on the very edge of eternity to prayerfully and yes carefully,vote in a better selection not based on nepotism or favors,but on who can and will best the conference and constituents with an eye single to the glory of Almighty God!Remember a resume’ is just that but what are the results and track record whether secretary,AY,Ministerial,or Educational,check the track record and find out how their names were nominated!A word to the wise is:there are diamonds in your own backyard so do not be so hasty to run all over the place when we have diamonds right here in our own backyard!I heard that the nominating committee never saw resumes for some of the nominees,ie:Secretary,Ministerial Secretary,just to mention a few.Read before you buy!

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  11. The Harbinger says:

    IT IS THE EVE BEFORE CONSTITUENCY MEETING

    This is the last week, the eve week before Constituency Meeting. On the Eve Sam Green, Terrell McCoy and Nancy Jones are considered history as administrators of the Southwest Region Conference. On the Eve of Constituency Meeting what brought them down?

    Examination of the facts reveal that they lost their credibiblity with people. First the four, which includes Gordon Jones who carried out the mandates of the President, de-employed workers, forced retirement on senior men and women, and terminated whom they declared to be waste. All of this was really handled by secrecy that was executed last summer–with out a tear. I ask you the reader if you were unemployed by your boss would you really vote for them? Most of you would say no because whatever you experienced negatively you would not forget the pain and suffering you are currently enduring. Voters do not like this and the nominating committee recognized their thoughtless thinking as a means to cover their mistakes. These four in y opinion should not be considered for any departmental offices as a token. Yet some of you are still trying to give them a pillow.

    Next, They all mismanaged the building program on the campground to the tune of a few million; a debt you will pay for years. The real truth is that they may have violated the law if it could be proven that they used the SWRC funds for personal gain of some sort (which has not been proven as yet to be the case). The point is that we are finding out stuff now never mentioned before. Look at the recent Audit Review by the General Conference in your delegate package. There is nothing really supportive in regard to treasury of the SWRC –Terry Foster included.

    Finally, we come to the NO CONFIDENCE VOTE the Executive Committee voted seperately on all three administrators. That vote was actually an impeacement process vote–the first ever vote in the history of the SWRC. This vote is significant to their not being nominated and possibly returned to office.

    Conclusion: All of this and more must have been in the minds of nominating committee members. Sam Green and his decisions started a political avalanche that could not stop. In the annals of SDA history he will be the General Custer of Adventism–considered one of the worst generals in history (see: the history channal).

    Now that we have come to the evening of Constituency Meeting, we are faced now with selecting new leaders. Remember, you will get what you choose. So think well as to whom you are choosing. It is not young verese senior men; it comes down to who has the most experience and leadership abilities to lead the SWRC out of a hell hole dug by the Green Administration.

    Having looked at the two resumes submitted to the Nominating Committee, I would have to say Calvin Watkins would have been a better choice. Now that’s my OPINION! Bernard is very impressive but I did not see when reading Roger’s resumes the overshadowing field and practical experience of Watkins. The current Nominees chosen for Secretary and Ministerial give me laughable moments–because many laypersons will vote on what they have experienced objectively and not on subjective reality like behavior, their present politics and maturity. Most younger people do not often consider the totality of what they really are asking for and vote objectively on what they have experienced in a revival or church meeting or youth camp. Emotions often obscures the subjective facts of a person inside and how they will lead. This is why child predators make church a target for their crime. Because they put on a disguised show and members often buy it without considering who the person really is from the inside. Get all the facts first that then vote!

    WELCOME TO CHRISTMAS DAY!

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  12. PASTOR'S WIFE says:

    Dear Pastors:
    In my efforts to make sure I have all my papers in order – I found out about the gigantic work load in the office to prepare for this constituency. Although I am not using my name, I am a Pastor’s wife. So, I am therefore going to remind you and request that you make sure you know who your delegates are and if they are all going to be there. Also do you have alternates in case your delegates have and emergency? If you don’t, do it tomorrow. YOUR church should not miss one vote because you did not prepare. Finalize that on tomorrow. How will you feel, if the vote comes down to 2-3 votes that separates who you would like and who will be an absolute disaster!

    Thirty years ago, your kids (OUR KIDS) said my dad only pays attention to the letters that have a window on it! The rest of them get thrown in a pile! Is that still true today? Well, don’t even think about denying it. Important information has been mailed to you. IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW YOUR DELEGATES. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THE DELEGATES ALLOWED FOR YOUR CHURCH! IN OTHER WORDS DO YOUR JOB THAT YOU GET PAID TO DO.

    We can only ask God to help us and expect great results when we do our part first. You know we are good for blaming other people when we have not done our part. Besides your sermon, what else are you doing today? This meeting affects us all, more of us than them will be affected.

    When you arrived and your delegates did not receive their packages and their memberships and your membership has not been transferred and you say you did not know and you have had 4 extra months because constituency was supposed to be in MAY. IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT, not your members, not the office staff, YOURS. OK, I’m done.

    PASTOR’S WIFE

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  13. Winston Stanley says:

    Wow! reading my morning devotion, I ran upon this text: The context is Saul has been blinded by a bright light, Ananias, is given a night vision of instructions with specifics to go and visit Saul, notice what Saul (Paul) is doing when Ananias meets him. Please note the order: “The Lord said, “get up and go to Judas’ house on Straight Street and ask to see a man from Tarsus named Saul, He is Fasting and Praying asking for HELP!” (Clear Word Translation)

    I issue you a pastoral yet passionate invite to one of my occasional Fruit Fast. Needless to say, I have very mixed emotions attending Constituency 2015 and I have even wished at times that it was not mandatory attendance. Really! But I know I have a duty to God first, but oh, how I wish Jesus Himself could make the choices for us full-proofing the system from err in the election of officers, but he has placed the mantel upon the delegates and what a responsibility it is.

    The reason for this invite is for others to join me next Friday (5 a.m. to 5 p.m.) in a Fruit Fast leading up to the business session itself Saturday sunset. As a pastor, I often use practical Fruit Fast for sermon preparation and lead-up to events or occasions where I find myself in extreme discomfort or uneasy requesting God’s presence with me. Such is the case with Constituency 2015 for me as an individual. I want to believe there are others experiencing this same unrest and discomfort. Fasting is in essence a tool in the arsenal of the Christian to lay it all in the lap of God. With this Fruit Fast, I am asking God in a special way to intervene with me first: keeping me secure in what I say and do; second, that God will intervene in our corporate decision-making for spiritual leaders.

    I do realize, nothing is full-proof, even with the choice of the twelve disciples, Judas was chosen. While I am confident– should we err, God will lead us back–as was the case with Israel; but even with that, the right leader(s) need be in place. Should the individuals for leadership come from within or without SWRGC, it is critical for us that the right individuals are chosen. While I have my preferences –as we all do, it is my will and desire that God would over-rule in our best interest with whomever the choice(s) maybe– it…is …critical! As it states in Act 9:1 and notice the order again “….Paul is FASTING and Praying asking for Help!” Friends, we need God’s Help!

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    • Anonymous says:

      Very sterile. Of course we all want God’s choice. But human means to achieve a political outcome needs fasting prayer and THEN ACTION.

      If this bunch is elected it will be a set back for education. This is the video generation of twisted minds which includes these men.

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      • Spike says:

        Anonymous…

        Can you imagine the Presidents office just before a meeting and Roger, Davis and Weagar playing videos games before an Executice Committee. “Where is Roger?” Someone ask. “In his office playing pac man with Davis and Weegar,” someone yells in the background.

        Imagine a cell phone pasted to their ears. Come on….you know what I am talking about. You pass by them and they don’t hear you or their head is always down texting and they don’t see you that suggest that they don’t know you, even though you have been around them for 20 years. Is this really what you want? I was on the elevator with Carlton Byrd in a hotel. What was he doing? Texting! All Carlton could say was, “hello Don.” Then it was back to to more intense texting. In his mind, “I don’t know this guy well enough to stop my texting or surfing the web on my phone.

        You see most of these self seeking individuals have put themselves first and not God. It is a part of this generation. How they look, what they say and where they are at in their professional career–not the three angels message–is formost. In fact they are burying the three angels messages as….”irrelevant for today’s generation.” This is the truth! And major advenitst writers who are near the end of their lives are worried about what this generation is going to do with the Church. Yes, senior ministers will be vanishing off the scene into retirement or death and the fatal crash or success of the Church will be left to this generation. I would not be so quickly ready to see these senior men fade away so quickly. Even the hard nose, conservative yet schizophrenic Davis and the bewildered untrustworthy, perplexed Weagar may not be ready for prime time. So goes for Bernard who may still need time to grow–and he will be buried in a smelling pool of dung if he becomes President. Most of those in this generation will run from a “a pool of dung” especially these men who have been spoon fed all of their ministerial lives–a characteristic of the generation that wants to be in the crowd of the world church.

        Delegates, when you return back to your districts you will reap the consequences of not being fully informed about who you voted for. You push these self seeking individuals forward when you invited them to your church or cheesed and were cheesed by them. God will hold you in contempt because you did nothing for men who really loved you, cared for you and served you for 40 or 50 years. What about ministers like J.R., Brown, Booker, Merrill and the other senior men who were force to retire and are being forgotten. I’m sure some of you will say, I’ts their fault.” Yet they sacrificed and never worked two jobs yet served you an entire life time so that you could know the three angel’s message of Jesus.

        There is something good that I can site about these nominees. They recognized that the the Green administration had to go for two polarized reasons: No confidence by the Executive Committee and their demise for them to ascend to power. This sounds like Weagar and Davis are kissing the Green administratin butt to RISE TO POWER–no matter how low they may have to stoop. This is why they remained silent as Green’s name never surfaced as a nominee for President in the back room–sources say.

        Get real!

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  14. Anonymous says:

    So true

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  15. Jonah 77 says:

    Dear Spike, Dolomite 9,

    If the Blog is of the Devil, then what are the true intentions of men less qualified? “Judge not…” To give the Blog credibility from your own pulpit by stating that it is of the Devil takes us back to the days of Salem, where anyone you disagreed with must be a Witch. If Dr. Davis wishes to clear up discussion on his “successful” attempt to manipulate the nominating process then he should use the same tactics and disagree as an “anonymous pastor”. As a matter of fact I would characterize Davis and Weegar as not “Left Behind” but more as “LEFT OUT-FRONT.” Out in front of the nominating committee to get nominated. Can you imagine if someone from the Electoral College decided to get all of the electoral votes for himself to be President of the United States? It is outrageous! However, by telling his members to not read the blog is saying that you don’t want to expose them to “your” truths and “your” record. What is done in the dark certainly comes to light and the blog was not created to make personal attacks, but to provide protection from reprisal for those who speak out on issues and to hold accountable leaders for their actions or inactions. Senior Men, you will go the way of the Dodo if these men are elected. They have no honor and have already carved up the SWRC chess board in which you have no seat at the table and are not even in the game. You will be erased. This is a certainty.

    I personally do not have anything against Robert Davis. I don’t think he is qualified and has manipulated and corrupted the nominating process. Now he wishes to attack free speech and make it a sin for those who wish to know the truth. He is a man and his record is absolutely relevant to any designs he has on leadership. I stated that I believe that both Davis and Weegar are in contact with delegates to lock up the votes. That a network exist in which they will not withdraw because they no the tally from their churches and the churches of their peers. The process is corrupted and only God can fix it.

    Folks, the hearts of men are cruel. They are calculated. Don’t be deceived by those who wish to engorge themselves on power and crush those who oppose them literally. Moving a Pastor to do the work of a younger man is cruel. Dropping a minister who has given 30 years is cruel. However, rewarding a Pastor on their second, second chance with Executive Secretary is unfathomable. ITS PROMOTING SOMEONE YOU JUST FIRED! Constituents, Next weekend you can say to Davis and Weegar, and anyone who would corrupt a long respected process of our faith, “Not you, Not today and not like this.” Some of you have received personal phone calls from these men, having your arms twisted in the guise of faith, having your thoughts corrupted in the mask of good intentions. Speak out right here on the blog. Be transparent because they will not.

    What Say You?

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  16. Spike says:

    Dear Dolomite 9…..Jonah77…..

    Thank you for your bold comments. They were not personal but factual; that is what has been generally circulating for years. I believe in second chances because humans make mistakes which includes all of us. One of the airlines just fired two CEOs who alledgedly did some shady things. If they are up for an interview for another CEO positions, these unresolved issues currently under investigation will resurface and become a determinitive factor.

    Davis said that he did not want to be involved in POLITICES. He is on the record saying that he does not believe in politics. YET he willingly participated in a political process for gain and influence. He chose under handed means to achieve a political outcome. If you don’t believe in something that violates your principles than you should resign. Yet witnesses say Davis talked his head off on every subject that came up. He can’t shut his mouth up.

    Why is this important? Besides the moral issues Davis cannot be a principle based person. This latest nomination shows how a person will sacrrifice their own principles they believe in for power, position and influence–all political objectives.The blog does not come close to Davis’ political methods for power and control. Let us not forget back room character assinations as he certainly did to Thompson eyewitnesses say.

    This minister told his members not to read this blog. He said, “It is of the devil.” And those who do are of the devil.” He spoke openly against free speech.

    The personal failures of those who are now engaging in politics is a legitimate discussion. How do you vet someone otherwise? Their failures may resurface and place the entire Conference in a law suit or embarrasment. You cannot have someone running the Conference borrowing money as being rumored out of New Orleans.

    SENIOR MEN: The rumor on the street is that the two men have discussed already what senior men will be leaving their churches and who will be let go. For real? Both men were for the buy out. Now that should tell you something.

    I fear what ouŕ Conference will become should the two men be elected.

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  17. DOLOMITE 9 says:

    It is absolutely ludicrous to look at what a slipshod job was done to the conference by the way the nominating committee was rushed through after having waited until August to get started.They were told to bring resume’s of people that they thought were good candidates for office but at the start of the meeting,they were warned that they had to work through lunch so that they could catch their planes and other means of transport by five o’clock p.m.!After postponing the session from May to September so the current and soon to be former administration could still be in power and get their perks for GC,the nominating committee is told to rush their job!Well, there is a bit of truth to that old adage-“haste makes waste!”
    Some people were returned to office who never should have been their in the first place and without calling their names, they know who they are!The work of the committee should have been a referendum on the slipsliding slipshod job that the current and hopefully soon to be former administration has done!Look at the lives that were hurt and souls that were lost by their careless and loveless and ruthless decisions!Look at how many pastors loads were doubled and tripled by their worthless “realignment plan”!Their report omits the money that was lost or wasted on campground overspending by almost 2 million dollars and the blame was placed on poor health of senior pastors!There is no substitute for experience but this administration despises experience and look at the price we are paying.It is too late for the nominating committee now to make it right but it is not too late for the constituents!If people have failed in the local church, how can they be promoted to work in the conference office?Whether it is president,secretary,treasurer,minsterial secretary,or departmental why should they be given a free pass?We can’t keep doing wrong or coddling wrong and not expect terrible results as payback!As much as I despise Donald Trump,I would feel better with him in some of the nominations that have been accepted by the nominating committee!Real Talk!Word!

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  18. Jonah 77 says:

    I noticed some of these comments may sting people and hit them where they may be uncomfortable. However, If Dr. Stanley and Left Behind can tell the truth then so can everyone else. I read Dolomite 9’s response and I believe it absolutely hits the nail on the head. When Left Behind used satire to describe the political mafia that exist in the SWRC it was placed in the archives. However, when Dolomite 9, brings into question the character or experience then his comments must be revised? Why? Ministers are public servants. If a minister cheats on his wife with a church member he loses his credentials and it is known publicly. Unfortunately their lives and the lives of their families are part of the vetting process. If his children are constantly in trouble its made known. And it should be a factor in weighing how distracted a leader or official will in executing their duties. Thats the problem with the establishment, this continuous walking of egg shells while we also punish those for speaking out is ridiculous. I will say it very clearly: If you are on your second second chance, and you can’t manage the Baton Rouge church and school, and you got yourself on the nominating committee to get nominated then you are not qualified. I mean ask yourself the question, do ministers need to go through a vetting process? Absolutely. That is the reason why the conference is in the shape it is in. No one vets anyone. Then when they get in, they see the problems before them and make worst decisions while realizing, “Hey, I have a PHD and its worthless because it should have been in business management or accounting.” They don’t even surround themselves with people that could make a difference they simply surround themselves with their friends or buddys all the while taking aim at the North American Division or higher…

    Now, Did Dr. Davis do what was alleged? I don’t know. But what do we know? The membership is down at Berean. What happened to the school is inexcusable. “By their fruits ye shall know them..” If you not yielding fruit, what are you yielding..? Dolomite 9’s comments are completely appropriate because this time the constituents better get it right or the SWRC will enter a Darker Age unseen in 40 years.

    And one more thing, Roger Bernard is not free from scrutiny. Every dealing that he has had bad or good is absolutely relevant for discussion. If you step up and want the job you better be prepared to answer the tough questions and illustrate logically your plan and vision if you know you are not the most experienced. But how would he heal the divide? I think he can do it, but Would Roger Bernard want a secretary and ministerial as his subordinate officers who are even less experienced and qualified? Would he want Davis and Weegar using these tactic on his watch? If so, then he should withdraw because his eyes are not on the task at hand but on the ideas of the past. Does he support Davis and Weegar, or is it a politically correct answer as in, “well thats not my decision.” Where does he stand? Would he support the nomination of a Meyers or Stanley or Boyd to groom him and make him a better President. If he is elected? Stay tuned folks…this will be interesting..

    Lastly, Dr. Stanely, going to the wood shed is some place we have all been through., Don’t remain silent. Your comments are pretty good. To disagree as brothers in Christ means we at least agree on one thing, we are brothers in Christ. I see your perspective on education as very important. Teeing it up one day would be great. Serious, educated debate is long overdue in this conference and vilifying your opponent is not the objective, however, serious actionable ideas are needed and you have provided many.

    What Say You?

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  19. Perplexed says:

    It’s surprising to me that right here in Southwest Region we have a very qualified candidate for President/Secretary/Ministerial Secretary in the person of Pastor E.C. Polite; yet his name doesn’t seem to be a consideration for any of those positions.

    Elder Polite was released from his position as Pastor of the largest tithe-paying church in this Conference, much to the chagrin of the majority of its members. Of course, there were some who complained about him to the Conference, but they are in the minority, and the Executives never took the time to validate the complaints or address his many accomplishments lauded by members and the community. They obviously had their own agenda because, not only is his reassignment in limbo, but his appeal to the same people who moved him (laughable) not given consideration. Letters were written on his behalf and meetings requested to no avail. Their minds were made up. How do you consciously disrupt a person’s life and that of his family in such a reprehensible way, under the auspices of conducting the Lord’s work. Some may say that Ministers are moved all the time so why is this different? This move was done, in my opinion, in a mean-spirited manner, with the intent to remove the threat to the current administration. They are fully aware of Pastor Polite’s credentials and decided to reassign him quickly. But God will reward us all for our deeds and He knows our hearts. I’ll leave it at that…

    Pastor Polite was an excellent Pastor at City Temple where he conducted services and board meetings with decorum and order. The sanctuary was packed every week as well as the overflow area (unlike the state of some of the churches I’ve heard of that are run by nominees for office.) City Temple is in good financial standing, ministries are functioning, young adults are active and appreciated his structured leadership, the Dallas Livewell Center, set up under his leadership, is serving the community well and I could go on and on. He has served as a Chaplain in the Military, PR Director at Howard University and authored the Mission Driven Ministry utilized by several churches. But don’t take my word for it, have a look at his resume. He will definitely take care of business and turn this Conference in the right direction.

    Let us continue to pray for Pastor Polite and his lovely wife, Donna, who are true examples of God’s servants.

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    • I WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH says:

      Perplexed…..

      I give you high marks for what you have said about your pastor. I am learning how much Polite really did.

      But are you aware that Polite never has had any real association with the pastors in this area? He did not come to many association meetings and when he did come he hardly said anything fellow pastors report.

      Some ministers described Polite as an enigma and an extreme introvert who really saw no need to be among his collegues.

      Now, if it is true, many ministers opposed the new worker’s report form. But it was voted by the excom committee. Ministers were told that “if you did not fill it out and send it in at the specified time treasury would withhold your travel budget.” I believe this to be wrong.

      However, why didn’t Polite comply? Most of the pastors if not all I am told did. This is what is required to stay employed regardless of accomplishments. It is being said now that the only reason why Polite is gone from CT is because he did not send his worker’s report in for a whole year. Is non compliance not insubordination? Grounds for termination or reprisals? It is being said that Foster is the single reason why he is no longer pastor of CT–he came one vote from being unemployed a minister told me–and wiped off the board for tresuerer. Take it up with those who have readily leaked this information–because it is out there and is now old news.

      If all this is correct, Polite may be responsible for his own demise! There are no rogue pastors no matter how large the church or successful a pastor may be. Agreed?

      This demands a response from you so that we can know the truth before next week! I love pastor Polite too and wish him well.

      I want to know the truth!

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      • This is the truth says:

        You got the wrong information. Pastor Green, the Treasurer and Secretary visited City Temple and made no mention of Polite not filling out a form. His termination was strictly personal because Green had no valid reasons for removing Polite, especially without a replacement. When Green was asked his reason for moving Pastor Polite he said Polite had complaints against him… which Pastor doesnt? I would rather be in Polites shoes than to be kissing up to other Pastors that are about their own agendas. The Akons and Judases in the camp. There is a famine in the land for the word because the Pastors are not preaching, and they are not strong leaders.

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      • Perplexed says:

        I normally don’t respond to demands, but will make an exception in this case.

        You’re obviously privy to information that I’m not, so I’m sorry that I can’t address the issues you’ve raised or respond to your questions regarding travel budget, workers report etc. In fact, I would caution against putting that type of information out unless you’re certain that it’s factual. And the mere fact that you’re asking me for the truth, means that it’s an unsubstantiated rumor. It’s hearsay stories like these that have people questioning a person’s credibility. You say you love Pastor Polite so why haven’t you directed those questions to him, if you really want the truth?

        As a constituent and member of City Temple, my post was simply to share, in my opinion, the reasons why I felt Pastor Polite should be considered for a position in the Conference office, given his qualifications – that’s all.

        Pastor Polite may not be the most gregarious person, but “enigma, introvert and rogue pastor” seems a bit over-the-top in describing him. I respect and appreciated him as a Pastor and have never heard him referred to in those terms. That characterization, I believe, is unfair and not at all representative of the Pastor we had. In fact, it would be impossible to accomplish the things he did at City Temple with those traits. As a matter of fact, visiting Ministers, to our church, have always commended his leadership in glowing terms. For the record, he’s approachable, transparent, authentic, compassionate, a great Pastor, excellent Administrator, a loving husband and father and Man of God. If outgoing, sociable, friendly, slap-you-on-the-back, hola compadre are criteria for leadership, then the job would be easy and may not even require changes.

        A reminder: I’m sure every Pastor has flaws and failings – no one is perfect. And unless we believe that there’s a perfect candidate, to lead imperfect people, then we should seriously look at the whole picture of a person’s character, expertise and ability to perform. Not doing so would be an injustice.

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    • I WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH says:

      Dear Perplexed….

      First, I loved your repy! It was a great post!

      I want to say that the information I posted was what has been circulated around the SWRC. So it could be factual or not. What people like me want to know is what is really factual in regard to his relocation. You can’t believe everything that someone may post–until it is verified. I am deeply hurt by the removal of pastor polite and his relocation. However, I have the right to search for the truth and your post is helping me to do so.

      Getting reports in for an employer is required for maintaining employment on any job. Finding out the facts can prevent false information. If it is true… it is true. I think that no pastor should have any part of his salary withheld.

      Wouldn’t you want to know if something was true or not before you stick your neck out for that person to prevent embarrassment? I do.

      I can love Pastor Pollite but at the same time believe that he is an imperfect person. I am not a person out to slander his name. BUT if he is being considered for these positions then I think as a delegate or member I should know the facts before I vote –especially those that are circulating–good or bad. I could go on and on what I really know but it would not be helpful for this discussion–you might not be able to accept it. However, Elder Polite is capable of being President, Secretary or any other departmental postitions. But if he does not get any of these positions it will be CT’s fault for not protesting his relocation in numbers or the false allegations made by Green’s administration. How can the largest tithe paying church not be heard by administration? How can they not get what they want? The tithe base and membership demands for the administration and ExCom to listen and respond to a desired outcome voted by the members of the Church.

      True, we are all sinners! But, you would not invite a newly baptized member to be treasuerer when that person may be still struggling as a robber. You would want to know this information even if he was someone you liked.

      Asking for clarification was not a demand, but most people do respond to demands. Being on the job on time to keep a job is a demand. To be pure and blameless for entrance into heaven is a demand from God. So we do respond to some demands. You make demands. Spouses make demands. We respond to the ones we choose.

      I thought your comment was a great, honest from the heart response and has greatly informed me. I thank you! Please keep contributing it is helpful.

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  20. I’m sorry ye who has NOT SINNED!

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  21. Please stick areas of discussion related to performance, it is not the purpose of this site to judge leaders on their personal discretions or indiscretions….everyone falls short in the eyes of God yet he who has sinned cast the first stone!

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  22. Pastor says:

    I would like to say a big thank you to Winston. I received the letter that many received by e-mail. You will know the one. I am sure I can say for all of us, you stood up and were respectful about it. I know the preachers appreciated it. (the TFS readers will not know what we are talking about). But you made many preachers feel like they had 2 big boxing gloves on and they at least need to say they support what you said. How dare these guys cut the line and become our supervisors and feel that is ok. Man, we love you for that. Thanks!

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  23. Winston Stanley says:

    O.K. all, you have taken me to the wood-shed verbally(smile). I know you love me, but I will be listening (reading) for the names and “try….” to remain quiet and prayerful.

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    • The Harbinger says:

      Keep pushing education! People have read your initiative all over the world. Why would you stop at such a crucial time? You have made a difference.

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  24. CONSTITUENT says:

    Thank you Sister Girl, that’s exactly what I was looking for. I have also been following the blog from the beginning and would like to see Craig (some people thought Craig was one of the bloggers) – he was so knowledgeable of everything, Some said he used his real name. But I would like to see him, Left Behind, Dolemite 9, Johnny Cochran and other frequent commenters weigh in. Contribute what you can, we will piece it together.

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  25. Sister Girl says:

    I’m back. I can’t keep letting all these allegations keep gettin thrown around. So I’m going to tell something that will validate and authentic me. Yes, Im from the good ole days. Some prople dont want the good ol days back. But peoples was nice and not as evil as all Im seeinn now. First we had very stable familys and parents that took care business and committed to all the church affairs. We use to come from all over to support everything for the kids. I dont know now. But constituent, I know just what you aski n and Im one help you today. I’m going to have to make some calls to ask about some of the ministers, but I knows most of them myself. Some tht you talking about been here 30 plus years. I knows some of them since boys. Come from good families. Like James Cox his brother, Helvus – even Winston and they is all from here. Michael Myers, Rawdon Brown, Durandel Ford, Warren Humphrey, and James Merrell also home boys Frank Williams, theres some more but these are the, Oh Al Booker, I might forget some, Truman Bryant, some are gone Alex Horton and yes another good ol home boy Roger Bernard, but he left. The rest of those build this conference and they use to be friends. I watch em have so much fun at one time at the campground. All theys kids grew up right on the campground and use to have so much fun.

    But this what Im gone tell so you know who I is. Only peoples kn ow what I’m talkin bout is the ones who been here for a real long time. This was back at the old meeting places like Hawkins Texas. Well, one Sabbath Elder Cleveland was here to speak under them old hot tents and a couple or a family came in kinda late maybe and I was so excited about hearing him speak, because I had heard so much about him. I was a early teen. But he shocked me when he said, “Take off those sunglasses,and he kept it up. I think they left, but I was so embarass for them, and that was when I first recognize that just because you a minister you not right all the time what you do. So if you cannot type or get on the blog, ask somebody about this. It made such a bad impression on me I cannot forget it. That’swhy our words important so dont say bad things. Like Constituent i dont like you called ministers back stab, hypocrites and cut throats, I dont like that. Somebody remember that bout Elder Cleveland tell somebody come on blog and tell it, I did not make that up.

    Also, Jonah, thank you for tellin like it is.. Winston know just what you tlking about, and constituent Winston know just what you asking. I read his response and he said he support but he dont want to say there name. Ok, I might have problems with Winston being President but these are who I would take in a minute and I tell you why. They been preachers and managing boards for over 30 years. Everyb ody got some faults. I would not hesitate: All the ministers I just named. They know all the good and the bad. I watch them Pastor and there no Preside nt you had in the last three presidents better than them. All that buzz hear at church yesterday bout rat pack – frat brothers, hog wash. Something about some of it might be true. Bu these men hauled of tents at the end of the campmeeting with Elder Jones. They work hard. They built this conference, they deserve the right to lead. They been handlinmg 2-3 churches, no prob lem, no complain. Now I dont like what they did to Michael Myers, they all know theys wrong for that. But everybody and they mama knows he mind his business, dont say nothing let you step on his toes, he come out swinging then, but he gone do his job and the preachers all know he the best one in the whole conference for organizing and managing, they know that and they also know he the best one for technologies. Everybody knows that Helvious is the best one for managing the preachers. He the best preacher that come out of this whole conference, everybody knows that so why you want to give that somebody like Weegar, or you kid me? Everybody knows Elder Brown smart speak high english, everybody knows that. That’s what Jonah saying to you, so why can’t you say that Winston? They name keep coming up on this blog. It aint keep coming up for nothing. When you the most talent eventually somebody tell. You might not get nothing but its not cause you not qualified. If them two had been in office, we would had good morale and we b e in the black. Everybody knows that about them two. So since you would not answer Jonah simple question about these Senior Ministers, I answer for you and challenge a nyone to deny it! James Cox could be a good leader. Durandel Ford could be a good leader. They didnt ask about them, Im telling all of you. They all built this conference, they deserve just as good a chance as Michal Myers,and Helvious Thompson they are leaders Winston, Just say so. Ok, I’m coming back to tell something about thse preachers because constituency is almost hear and just like constituent say we been doing the same domb stuf for 50 years, I been here and I know just what he talking bout. So, I know I don’t write all that ok, but I write good enough you can get it and Im doing all I can because I really appreciate the forgotten shepherdess, so please share all those that know somebody. We needs your help. Im going to post a summary as best I can from what I can find out. Why? These ministers cannot talk for themselves, they must depend on us they cannot trust anyone, not even us. You know what, Make my job easy, I’m going to call 3 preacher wife, I trust so they get corect information. This might take a few days, I be back maybe a few days. I will have some good information constituent. Thank you for tryi ng to find out. You doing right thing we be looking for information at every constituency and nobody knows anything because nobody gives us anything. Well. this time different.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Sister Girl
      I think you are writing in broken English on purpose😀

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      • MOMMY'S BOY says:

        This is an older women who has limited education. I bought her a computer and she can’t stay off of it. So….give her a breAK Mr. Or Ms. Educated.

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    • This is the truth says:

      A lot of the the pastors named here like H. Thomsons and Cox are not good leaders. Just look at their congregations. Pastor Thomson struggles at Grace Temple and can’t seem to keep the young people. Where are the members… Cox integrity is questionable.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Let’s give you a church for ten years and see if your members at some point want to run you out of town. How many have reached and baptized? What are you doing for young people? Most likely you wouldn’t last 1 year in a church or pulpit.

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  26. Winston Stanley says:

    CONSTITUENT, I have an article in my old file cabinet that I have kept over the years written by Calvin Rock (one of my favorite authors by the way) entitled, “What Ever Happened to Ethics.” His premise: for those ministers who seek conference positions for selfish reasons, according to Dr. Rock, “Trouble does last always.” Such is the case for the two ministers seeking the position for secretariat and ministerial. I do not support them and that’s all I am going to say for now.

    If you have observed me over the years from what I read in your comment; and you certainly have gotten to know me, you will have probably noticed also, I do not run in “packs” or crowds. “Packs” prey on the weaknesses of others. I have been outspoken for the past two administrations defending selected individuals in certain situations. I was called on the carpet (by administration) for my accusations, but you know, I am still here and those ministers whom I had differences are gone because the right call was made. I took my stand on behalf of defenseless members by the way. I have a book in my library written by Howard Cosell entitled: “I never Played the Game,” Cosell called a spade a spade and never played the negative political game in sports journalism.

    But ya know, it’s time for my colleagues to come forth and say something and not hide behind “anonymous.” It’s strange, when I took a stand against an administrator as an intern over twenty-five years ago, a letter of reprimand was placed in my files, but I am still here. Repercussion? (lol) Backlash? (lol). Truth and right is your biggest defense; unless you may happen to want an office position. So, I cannot understand the “anonymity thingy” by my peers.

    Therefore, this Constituency Constituent, You, the members will have to “humbly” and “respectfully” address the issues, speak-up, to help make changes. Respectfully, Elder Green, Elder Wright, Elder McCoy, Nancy, Mrs Ram and all my peers, are very aware that Stanley will speak his mind, go back to his district and you will not hear from me. Sorry for “tooting my own horn” as Dr. Rock writes in the article but my motives are pure. I repeat, Constituent, You along with others, will have to address certain issues at the session. As they say, If you perish, you Perish! Just stand for truth and right!

    I need mention by the way, ministers in SWRGC need be given autonomy as to whom the next Ministerial Director will be due the fact that ministers need confidence in their selection and not the Nominating Committee. Too much negativity has gone down and preachers need to make that choice themselves. The same autonomy should exist with the selection of Hispanic Director and Education Superintendent. Teachers should have had a representative( in my opinion) on the Nominating Committee after having caucused, as to whom they would like as their next Superintendent. If the previous had say, it would prevent much in-fighting. These suggestions will be passed to the Constitution and By-Laws Committee for the next session for sure, otherwise we are shooting in the dark with some of these nominees.

    I confirm my convictions again, I stand with Ted Brown. He has a ministerial background, firm, fair, and principled with a managerial and financial skillset. I dare any of those who are anti-Ted to question the laity about Ted’s work in SWRGC. I have, and those I questioned stand in support(ministers and laity). I hear his name did not hit the board. Reason, because those “in the know” had an agenda and Ted would not fit their fancy.

    Respectfully, I cannot support the recommendation for presidency coming from the Nominating Committee (which is my individual right) due the fact that we as a Conference is in need of ministerial with financial and managerial skillset. I support quite a few ministers out there, whose name I will not mention at present. If their names surface during the session I will speak on their behalf. By the way, when you are making these appointments to the office you need also keep in mind where the appointee stands “practically” on Ellen White and by all means consider his/her health. You need healthy men or women in that office because their decisions are eternal.

    Jonah, we can discuss matters or differences on the golf course but remember you have to card a score 84 or less(smile). In closing, I do respect all men and women. However, we have to agree to disagree from time to time.

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    • The Harbinger says:

      Stanley…

      Ted will not fly no matter how much you want him or I. So stop. It could happen some other time. It is a fact that when Ted was here he lacked people skills and offended ministers and laity. Let us not cite one instant after another. The Presidents he served will testify to these events. You can have great skills and still have horrible relations with those you serve.

      Next, you have done a great job bringing the issue of education to the front. We shouldn’t get hung up on disagreements. Through this blog you have gotten the attention of many and raised the awareness for a conversation on this subject. YOU DID YOUR JOB AND PROVIDED A GREAT SERVICE! This is what the originator of the blog had in mind.

      However, back off the anonymous thing! A person who decides to remain anonymous yet be a part of the discussion is their “free speach” right–and does not make that individual less than a person. Professional writers–ghost writers–do this daily. Keep on point with the issues not the person.

      Acknowledge someone when they did an unselfish service. My friend Meyers did a great unselfish service for ministers in the Dallas area–apparently forgotten by many of his collegues including the infamous Rat Pack. There are other ministers like this one who are worthy and they have been named but not acknowledge by you and you are in that list. Your unselfish writings and emails on various issues testifies to this.

      Stanley…don’t allude to someone’s health. Many of our leaders including the former North
      American Division President, have had health issues. Beware, you can be fit and healthy today and suddenly, in an instant receive the news of a long term desease. I am saying that Ellen White, of which I have researched well, was not a vegetarian until around 1898 and did each chicken, fish, maybe shell fish. On her trips west traveling over the Rockies, we may never know what Ellen and James ate in order to stay alive under harsh condition when supplies ran out. On a return trip headed back east from Grand Prairie, it was reported that one of the travelers with James and Ellen ate from the carcass of a dead bear and became severly ill. The moral here is don’t be so hard on the guys who have inherited some medical issues and be so condemning when you don’t know what can happen to you.

      Finally, I agree with Jonah77. He has been in your camp but would like for you to acknowledge some of the old ones who like you have given a lifetime to this conference. There is nothing unselfish about wanting to be President or anything else in that castle. Obama desired to be President! Because Rock wrote that book does not mean that everything that he said is acceptable. What is unacceptable are the negative MEANS through which those who desire an office use them to achieve their goal. This is the outrage against Davis and Weagar and others involved. Rock is talking about Christian ethics.

      To me Constituent is making a passionate plea for fairness before a baby boomer generation vanishes off the scene who after the storm will carry an eternal lump in their stomachs. So, being a person of logic and wanting justice for all, you should speak out against the proposed nomination list for the next 4-5 years. Why? Education will be impeded if these incorrigeables get in.

      JUST A VOICE IN THE WIND BEFORE THE RAIN, THUNDER AND LIGHTNING ARRIVE.

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  27. Jonah 77 says:

    At CONSTITUENT….The comments here all have some weight. But none is more important than the fact that Dr. Stanley has endorsed former Treasurer Ted Brown and the current treasurer as candidates but has not endorsed any of the Senior men currently serving with him. You cannot call out the committee for a selection of a pathfinder director or youth leader as defying logic and reason by offering a solution that looks to offer more of the same in Ted Brown and Nancy Jones. Are there no Senior Men whom you would think logical and reasonable to tackle these issues Dr. Stanley? Though many actually would endorse YOU whether you are interested or not. The point is simply that all of the Senior Men are in this mess together and yet in still you will remain silent amongst each other until the clock runs out on your own careers. I agree with Willie Lewis comment about a committee to report to the executive, however, the emphasis must be on ethics and no one who is tied to the current problems. It is unethical to make purchases of equipment, churches or property behind closed doors and then ask another administration to fix it. I would even argue that it is corrupt to simply waste money. If an expert asked you to resign or you were given a vote of NO CONFIDENCE then you have problems with not only ethics, but your behavior may be borderline corrupt. So in addition to a select committee, I believe an ethics review panel should be in place so that officers, masked as Christians do not continue to ruin the Adventist name with poor judgement.

    To my point about endorsements: I previously stated that a good team would be Meyers, Thompson, and Stanley. But Neither have expressed support in this forum for each other while they may or may not do so privately. I do however believe that Bernard, Meyers and Stanley would be a good team to bridge the gap between the Senior Men and the Fraternity. Either way, Meyers has proven himself more than capable for all of the positions. Robert Davis should withdraw. He is not qualified and has corrupted the process. I don’t care how good you can speak. I don’t care if you sound like MLK, OBAMA, Jesse Jackson. You can have as many prayer fest as you want. The conference doesn’t need an orator. They need someone who can count and has a history of counting and bridging a divide. They don’t need a leader on his second, second chance. Or someone who would destroy what others have built. The school in Baton Rouge disqualifies Davis on the grounds that if you can’t manage a school, how are you going to be effective in leadership? What are you going to do? What have you done? What have you built? What buildings have you paid off? The ministry is more than just speaking on Sabbath. Its management of the most important business. Its about not being a pacifist. Its about speaking truth. Making the hard decision. It is not enough to feel the hearts of men with your voice, you must inspire and develop not only people. but the projects and task you are given. Davis has been found wanting in the latter.

    However, What Say you? I say that Davis and Weegar have been whipping votes since the GC. I say that they are reaching out to delegates to ensure the process is in their favor possibly even as I am writing this statement. I say they are the new Rat Pack 2.0 and if you Senior Men do not stand behind one of your own then what if anything do you stand for? Certainly not this conference. The nominating committee should be ashamed for allowing men of little qualifications and experience to be in position to lead. It discredits the process and is the clearest example of ADVENTIST BEHAVING BADLY. You are truly headed for a real fight on the floor and a very long night. But if you unite I believe you could be headed for a revival. A true moment of fairness. Because lets be honest..its not a fair process and the way to get ahead is compromise. What have you done!! I know that when the Round Rock church was about to leave the SWRC about 20 years ago that Meyers stopped that and then built a new church. When confronted with a school in disfunction and disarray at Berean, somehow the Lord blessed and a new school was built. When I heard that Meyers put together the Ministerial Association I believed that finally a bridge was being built. Then I heard that he was threatened with being moved and then punished with the work of a much younger pastor. Its not a secret that many of the men that have ruined this conference all sat in some of the same classes together many years ago. Some minsters even bragged about the treatment of this Meyers. Is this how you treat each other? And then expect the younger generation to respect you? To afford you dignity when you have no dignity for each other. Many of you Senior Men have done incredible things. But all that is known is what people see every sabbath. Maybe you speak well, maybe you don’t. But the lights are on. You’re accessible to your flock. People know they can count on you. You have no there aspirations other than to make the conference great while the younger men have their eyes on the North American Division or GC. Some of you have built things and are business savy. So I say you should unite an count on each other. Even the Rat Pack must be making calls right now to ensure the outcome is in their favor. Don’t be Left Behind because you left your brethren…..WHAT SAY YOU?

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  28. CONSTITUENT says:

    TO WINSTON and JONAH 77 and members of this Constituency: We have but a short time, you have been in this conference for 30 + years, you know the names I mentioned. Members of this constituency do not know about their qualifications. There has to be a top tier of workers you would be comfortable with. Talk about what you know about their experience and include your own although you said you are not interested. You commented well on education, but we still don’t know all the problems, and some of the teachers need to comment, they can just sign teacher or go to a public library. How can anything get any better if no one knows the problem. I already know when they get back in the nominating committee, they throw out names and this forum gives people a chance to see what you think about each other. We out here in constituency world know nothing. We know the names, but some people know about their leadership, see, that is what we need to know. I am also going to call on Dennis Dunkin a long time Grace Temple member. Any member of this constituency and DFW church member, if you do not want to use your name, just type ANONYMOUS This is the time the constituency needs influential members to give us a word. This can easily be done, if you have something good to say, SAY IT! Otherwise, just keep it to yourself. I don’t know anyone else who will talk on this blog, but Winston and Jonah have been commenting and have made logical comments. SO I’m waiting along with others! The only way to make a difference is to stay at it! I know the men I mentioned and they have not had a chance to demonstrate their leadership at the conference level. No one is absolutely perfect, but the ones I mentioned would certainly like the Willie Lewis idea and have the experience to put the conference first, if you know others, spit it out! I’m talking to anyone. Stop letting us go to this constituency blindfolded. It’s been going on this way over 50 years. Can we not just stop it, FINALLY!

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  29. WILLIE LEWIS says:

    I would suggest that when the new president is elected that he would select a committee of at least five persons ( 2 retired conference presidents, 1 retired conference treasurer and 2 lay persons as a study committee to bring a report to the SW Conference Executive as to ways to resolve the various issues facing Southwest. The committee would study the financial needs,education needs and other issues as the president deems necessary. I believe that we have the talent and people in ministry who are able to provide successful and excellent leadership to our conference. This special committee would be disbanded after presenting their report.

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    • The Harbinger says:

      Willie….

      My friend, I think this is a superb recommendation! Thank you for such an insight!

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    • CONSTITUENT says:

      Thank you so much for your comment. That is an excellent idea. I know we need help down here and I have been in other conferences where the operation is very similar. Elections are based on whether you are a good speaker or not. Just look at our previous Presidents, very little pastoral experience. The constituency depends on the Pastors to guide them, but they are the most hypocritical, backstabbing, cutthroats of any profession I have witnessed. When more officials, church members, former conference officers and union officials comment and tell the truth then we have a chance to move forward. I am proud that Winston has commented and used his name. Other ministers should be able to do the same but they fear retribution. I just previously named some names and I would like Winston to comment on those and add others besides those from this field. If you are a colleague – you should be able to comment positively on your peers. If you cannot find any amongst you, then why blame people who don’t know any of you as far as work ethics and outstanding leadership. I’m smart enough to know you will not find any exceptional leaders in other conferences. They all operate about the same. If you have been following the blog, we know Winston’s comments about Ted his choice. I have mentioned names. Please comment as you are the only Pastor to use your name. We do not need to go outside this conference for reasons I have explained. All the Senior guys got looked over because they were all passive and are still passive and mistakenly thought their hard work and good ethics would get them fairly promoted which it did not. A lot of people I think respect you, Meyers, Helvius, Truman, I can’t think of anyone else as some of the Senior Pastors but you know others, and if you don’t then go with someone who has the experience from another field I am going to ask you again. You can just say anyone that I have mentioned is capable. However, I do feel we need someone who is not the “go along to get along” we have had enough of that. We also don’t need anyone who will relinquish their authority to someone else while they fly all over the world. And for you Pastors who are reading this, you can comment also. Your livelihood just might be affected by who gets chosen. I’ve seen your letters of outrage against Davis and Weegar but do I believe you will stand against them? I do not. I have watched you through the years and 1 whole generation of Pastors got promoted over you and that is why this conference suffered.

      The young ones needed your guidance. The head of the Pastors had not been a Pastor for 2 cycles. Now you have a chance. The TFS is being read by everyone.

      To the ministers who have been chopped- what do you have to lose? You might get your job back. The conference will not grow without some of these skilled workers. When first elders have to really do the job of a pastor, they find out real quick it is not as easy as preparing a sermon on sabbath. These ministers have a undergraduate degree plus usually a Masters, they are trained in leadership and they have to face us- the people who think we know better how to lead than they do. We generally will not do anything they ask and that is why God does not bless us the way he could. He has to teach us lessons- just like he did the Israelites.

      So the question again- these are your colleagues. Would you be happy with their leadership? To other ministers, who would you be happy to lead you? People are reading this. Don’t put anything malicious as I know you can. Just throw out some names and why they would be good leaders. If you give us no offerings then why do you expect us to know. You know better than we do.

      You can see the committee faced with experience “Calvin Watkins” chose popularity, why? I don’t know. The constituency is going to do the same. It’s the most ridiculous thing. Even with the facts from the previous Executive Committee member, we just cannot make good business decisions.
      All I know is we like to come to the Microphone, show off, go to lunch, leave before the vote is done, and then complain after all is said and done.

      Please some of you SENIOR PASTORS respond just say you are a worker if you are afraid to say you are a Pastor. This election seriously affects all of us, constituents as well. But wouldn’t some of you like peace and harmony restored- wouldn’t you like to have a conference president and secretary call you ever so often, and say “man how are you doing” how can we help you? You tell them what you need right now and they say, ok, let me get back with you. I’m going to see what I can do. I have talked to pastors. They have had no such interactions in 10 years. You don’t believe me? Call them like I did. All I can do is warn the constituency as the last Executive Member had tried to do. People got her information, but what did they do, you all know, made the choice – not based on competency, but popularity. Winston and Jonah, please sum up what I’m trying to say. Ministers who fear commenting – I don’t know who the blogger is, but they have done this conference a great service. If you fear that, then go to a public library. No one will know who you are, but for goodness sake, stop sitting on the sidelines.

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  30. Winston Stanley says:

    DEFIES LOGIC and SIMPLE REASON: Since hearing the results coming from the Nominating Committee 2015, I have been trying to work my way out of a Funk. Really! I have published one book entitled “Parents: Adolescents Are Adults-With-Less-Sense”; a second manuscript ready for publication– as soon as I get the money– entitled: “Effective Short-term Counseling for Pastors and Laymen—A Christ-centered Approach to Everyday Lay Counseling;” I am currently in the process working on a third manuscript which will be a devotional guide for youth and adolescents; I have written one dissertation, and helping my wife with her dissertation; I sit on one of the biggest boards in this Union at SWAU, with outstanding professionals who are indeed excellent thinkers. I humbly say all that not as a brag, but instead to substantiate the fact that, I do see myself as a humble simple man who can reason logically from A to Z. Really!
    But the other day, I found myself calling my longtime close friend who is a licensed counselor in the state of Louisiana to ask, if I am loosing it! I shared with him the “felt Needs” needs of my Conference (Finances & Management) ; I also shared with him the fact that as a conference we are in the process of electing officers who can possible meet conference needs to serve the next 4-5 years.
    BUT, with all that, the Nominating Committee suggest to the Constituents—come September 19– a CEO or President, with a strong background in youth and pathfinder, instead of someone with a background and experience in management and finances. I had to ask this longtime Christian Counselor and Psychologist and friend … “Am I looing it (with a serious chuckle).” His response was, “ obviously, I see and understand your logic and reasoning, but OTHERS do not see as YOU see what the needs of the Conference is, they prefer a good Christian guy, CEO or President, with experience or background in youth and pathfinder.” [that’s the way the conversation went].
    My personal conclusion, what we are about to do as a conference—in my opinion—DEFIES SIMPLE LOGIC AND REASON! When I go to a doctor with a problem, he suggest to me what I NEED and not what I want, in-order to solve my physical ailment. To allow selected ministers who wants a position themselves to dominate the dialogue and push their agenda and suggest to the Constituents what they think is best for this Conference is suicidal.
    While I have not read Carolyn Medlock’s document, I am told what she put together was a document reflecting our financial status of SWRGC, which reflects the “Felt Needs” needs of SWRGC, which calls for someone with a finance and management background. My question to everyone …, “why are choosing another whose background reflects youth and pathfinder? To me, this DEFIES LOGIC and SIMPLE REASON. Isaiah 1:18, “come now let us reason [think it through] together.”

    [By the way, I am not seeking any post, as my wife tells me “Winston you talk too much.” lol. All I want is to see us prosper as a Conference and be in good financial health. James White was asked to serve a top position when we first became a denomination. James White chose not because he was very outspoken for the Adventist cause and he did not want his motives to be mis-judged by the people for fear that they may have thought he was self-seeking. James White yield to a slave abolitionist whose name was John Byington, John Byington became the first president of the Seventh-day Adventist Denomination. I say that to say this—do not mis-judge my motives.

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    • Wow! 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

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    • The Harbinger says:

      Dear Winston:

      I have read your piece and congradulations with your success!

      I agree with you that Bernard may not be ready for this top spot. I think you should give equal importance to the nominees for Secretary and Ministerial. Roger is a wonderful person so I don’t place him in the same catagory as the two nominees. He is a good, wonderful person–someone I love and respect.

      But being a good person is not enough. I am concerned about the unresolved state of the Central States Conference. As Executive Secretary that situation has not turned around. I have concluded that Evangelism and Stewardship will get us out of the present financial crisis–the reasons why Watkins would have been the best choice. The only real source of income the Conference has is through the giving of members. The present administration failed to take the ball into the end zone by placing more emphasis on buildings as you can see in the President report for the election (The most ugly ill prepared document ever in our history before an election. Someone said,”alway send out your best, not your worst).

      Why would we take a chance on a good person and two individuals whose tainted characters and reputations may resurface? I heard that both of their churches are in shambles. Both demonstrated a coalition of selfishness. In New Orleans two presidents have been down there to deal with the pastor. Green declared the Baton Rouge church to be a ghost town (emphasis added).

      The sensible approach is what Willie Lewis just mentioned above. This would be post election in September and will be too late; but should be considered and accepted.

      But managment is one thing and leadership another–but they go together. You can have good people who can manage but cannot lead–that is–to put together an effective team.

      It is about our paychecks Bra! Now this is LOGICAL!

      I think your conuselor may be a little on the unreal side.

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  31. greeneyes65 says:

    We don’t need davis,weegar,or roger bernard

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  32. Anonymous says:

    I agree with most of what you said especially the part that younger equals better. It certainly does not. But we have to be honest. The problem with this entire process for DECADES are the ministers.. MOST of them especially those on the nominating committees have their own agenda or they are also a part of the “rat pack”. It’s a fact. Laypersons depend on the honest feedback from ministers when discussing potential positions and that feedback is not correct its personal. Why do you continue to put ministers on the nominating committee that represent only themselves? From what i’m told resumes were foreign to the process until some of the layman started to request them and by the time they received them it was decided not to revisit some of the questionable decisions that were made.

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    • INOCENT BYSTANDER says:

      Anonymous….

      There are ministers on the nominating committee who were not after their own interest. What was not allowed and brought to the table insiders have revealed was the personal past history of those who are now waiting to be approved by you. A reckless past history might be important considering what has transpired in the news concerning Priests.

      Albeit, no one is perfect but there are ministers who have not tainted theire ministries . However, in reverse laity should remember that men or women who speak well may be garbage for leadership.

      I agree with you 50% that we are most of the problem. What you need to be aware of is that the SWRGC is really faced with a huge financial problem created by Green’s administation. At the present the question is not whether younger can get us out of this, but whether the leader really has the experience and the no how.

      All agreed that Green and the rest were incapable of leading the Conference.

      I did love your comment.

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  33. CONSTITUENT says:

    Unbelievable! It baffles me that you can work in this field for 30-45 years, yet you can be so unlucky that people can politically maneuver themselves or their partners in crime to be members of the nominating committee to the point that you can elect a secretary and a ministerial secretary who have very little experience in leadership and questionable backgrounds to direct the affairs of their seniors who have paid their dues and then some, and have suffered at the leadership of those who know better. Can members of this constituency not see this?

    I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY THE YOUNGER GENERATION that they are looking for younger leadership, not quality or experienced leadership but younger. For what? Does younger mean you are to continue with unfair decisions? Putting people in positions that they don’t deserve, means you will continue the same path. Just think about it!

    People know Roger Bernard, he is a great guy, but he is no different at this point from any other outsider. He knows nothing of the pain these men have suffered. They have been hurt badly. But check this out, You would rather elect someone from the outside, that includes Calvin Watkins, Jessie Wilson, Buddy Bird, and anyone else, than give people who have served you almost 35-45 years who know all the men, including the rat pack (who don’t deserve to serve because of their manipulations for 30 years, otherwise they qualify too), YOU would take someone who knows nothing about this field rather than give these men a chance to dig us out of this mess. I will name a few again:

    Michael Meyers
    Winston Stanley
    Truman Bryant

    There are others, but I am confident these men will do the job right. No one will be able to buy them. They will get to the bottom of the problem and be fair. They will set up a fair system of promotion and help this field to grow. I have already heard from many pastors that Michael Meyers set up a model, functioning ministerial association the likes that no one has achieved. I take my hat off to him. Also I take my hat off to Carolyn Medlock for getting information out to the new nominating committee and I urge these members to read and contact her and get all the 411. I have an idea that this is just the tip of the iceberg and we may be in worst condition than we think.

    Anyone in Roger Bernard’s circle of friends should have him contact at least the above-listed men. They would guide him correctly. But if it’s true, that he will cater to Davis and Weegar because they went to school together, we are on a road to failure, because they are only interested in self-promotion. They will use their budget to fly all over the world speaking and do nothing for this field.
    And for you young people, who seem to be of influence here. Young does not mean better, the above-listed me are aware of the needs of the youth. They are social media conscious and believe in youth participation. But they have also managed budgets, built churches and schools, been in the districts, know the needs of the people. They favor all people, not just members from the large churches. Delegates, stay tuned to the blog, make a fair assessment and above all, DO NOT VOTE NECESSARILY WHO YOUR PASTOR TELLS YOU TO VOTE FOR UNLESS THEY CAN GIVE YOU A REASON NOT TO GO WITH EXPERIENCE!

    ONE last thing TFS, anyone who sends you information, I’m wondering if you can post it. I have seen letters and info from Winston Stanley, Carolyn Medlock and a few others. It was not sent to me, so I do not have permission to forward it, but it’s out there and I feel the delegates and constituency should know this to make sound decisions. What they are trying to say is that what they have been through don’t put people back in these positions if they are not competent. In other words, this is not the time for a popularity contest! Everyone knows Roger is popular, but the word is, he is coming from a conference that is in shambles, he is not making a difference up there, so how do you expect him to make a difference here?

    All the members of the last administration, including the Executive Committee, except Carolyn Medlock is responsible. She is a committed person. No one else sounded the alarm, so even if they did not agree, they did not go far enough to save us! SO I CHALLENGE THE COMMITTEE,
    PLEASE, PLEASE! You have information, read it, call, ask the Union people, they know the exact condition of this CONFERENCE! STOP letting them treat us like second class citizens, we cannot even trust our own, they throw anything at us and we take it. How do I know? I heard several ministers from this field turned in their resumes for offices and none of them were distributed. That is their continued way to control us by choosing who receives this information. MY feeling is that this is a unfair process, still racist and will always be until Jesus comes.

    Certainly I understand their not giving out exact details of the conference state of affairs, but they should at least understand the political process and do their best to avoid a group of incompetent’s taking over again, since they have to deal with this. Although I am not a minister, I know all the ministers and I am not a worker. I’m a lay person and I am thinking about going public because of the seriousness this time. I INVITE other well-known members from the churches to comment, you can’ hurt, you can only help at this point.

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