Five Cries From Under the President’s Desk: Let’s Just Be Real People!

handsinchainsFROM THE GENERAL CONFERENCE OF SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST TO OUR PRESENT DAY LOCAL CONFERENCE│ observation and statistics have uncovered that men and women who are in Administration and the Departmental work of the Church are sometimes removed from what goes on in a local congregation. Many Seventh-day Adventist ecclesiastical authorities admit that a chasm exist between the upper complicated structure and the local church.

If a church official asked, “What does the local Conference, Union, North American Division and the General Conference do for you? The upper hierarchy would not be startled that few members would be unable to respond with a suitable answer.

monopolyTHE PRESENT STRUCTURE OF THE WORLD CHURCH arose from a 19th century organizational paradigm, Seventh-day Adventist pioneers borrowed from capitalistic models they understood in America during the early beginnings of the) Church

(CAPITALISM is an economic system and a mode of production in which trade, industries, and the means of production are largely or entirely privately owned and operated for profit.)

Research revealed that the crafted structure developed world missions but neglected the local church and pastor. Historical findings indicate that the five tier structured model came from a capitalist approach which brought about a wealthy World Church.

As political scientists teach, there exists no pure system. They all have residual negative effects. And in capitalism the negative results are often exploitation of natural resources.

shareholderTHIS SHORT ESSAY MEANS that over the years the local church and the pastor came to be structured at the bottom of the organizational system. The pay scale and output of the World Church can be understood from this model. Today, those in Administration and Departments are paid slightly higher and receive budgets while the local pastor gets the least pay and no budget. People seem to perceive that more work output comes from the ecclesiastic upper structure than from the local church.

This capitalist approach teaches the exploitation of ministers as leaders at the top see the clergy as their servants. Leaders at the top sometimes have the attitude like, “accept and do as I say or you are not going anywhere;” even if what they want you to do have no biblical foundation. I submit to you that if local pastors were paid at the rate of the highest official in the General Conference, ministers would fight to serve at the local church level.

How bad is the present paradigm? Bad! It reaches a boiling point when cries from abuse of authority surface and shout, “Reorganize the structure of the World Church” as in 1901. For your information, the structure we presently have as a World Church (1901 to 1915) comes from that time period with little renovations.

WHY IS THE ABOVE BRIEF INTRODUCTION IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND? Because what cries from under this President’s desk, reveals a tearful story of why people today cry out for reorganization of our World Church—even congregationalism. Everything of real importance comes from the pew and pastoral ministry not from Administration like money, baptisms, community services, personal evangelism etc. The entire structure of the World church is financed by your tithes and offering. Without your personal giving on the local level, our World Church might not exist. The quest to become an institutionalized wealthy World Church speaks well of the negative aspects this system brings such as exploitation of local human resources.

Denominational history does chronicle the bad decisions that drove some of our great leaders to leave the Seventh-day Adventist Church because of capitalistic exploitation. Strip mining the local church and pastoral ministry of its resources for individualistic advancement and self aggrandizement skews God’s purpose.

An unaccountable capitalist mind will fire you for a drop in the local church tithe or a year that there were no baptisms regardless of a lifetime of ministerial productivity. This capitalistic, uncontrolled attitude will force you into retirement or terminate a worker for a large medical pay out of benefits. A capitalist mindset with free reign will make workers pay more for benefits for a balanced bottom line. As stated in the last Presidential debate, “Let them die” which also refers to sick pastors. How do you know that you won’t contract a long term disease? It happens to the healthiest people. Even Raw Foodist!

president sam greenSAM GREEN’S LEADERSHIP│ precisely emanates from within a closed box mindset of a Wall Street model not from Main Street America. With a wave of his arm or a turned back to an ad hoc committee, the embattled President COULD “pink slip” men without thinking about the consequence of human tragedy within our church. The best decision is often the one that says, “I can’t do this. It will be too devastating.” A capitalistic mindset says, “But I have to do it in order for more production which means a greater gain.”

So Green’s capitalistic mindset went for a Voluntary Incentive Workers Reduction program to “get rid of the waste.” But the real truth that he will not admit to is that he had come up with this strategy endorsed and implemented by the Secretary, Treasurer, Under Treasurer and Ministerial Director. In better words, they blamed workers and the members for their mismanagement not themselves.

Now that they have executed their plan through “hellos” of exploitation and “goodbyes,” many good men and their spouses were traumatized by last year’s actions from the SWRGC headquarters. Don’t get lost in the mudslinging of their exploitations. It is easy to do if you give blind support to a quaking regime. Don’t fall into their sink hole.

SO HERE’S WHAT I WANT YOU TO LEAVE WITH FROM THIS BLOG.Five cries from those who were exploited by the President’s capitalistic mindset, men who were devalued and sacrificed for a campground that was built on their backs. I will only use the initials of five men to protect them from the general public. Consider the first casualty of the President’s capitalist mindset, JRE….

watered eyesCRY #1: FROM JRE: A good man I have known since I was a child. He has a great wife that I love dearly. The capitalistic mindset of the President and the ad hoc committee terminated JRE’s part time stipend. They revoked his stipend as he was working part time in Wills and Trust. As related to me about my friend, JRE received a call while he was taking an exam for certification to continue serving in Wills and Trust. At that exam JRE received a phone call from the Secretary informing him that his services were no longer needed and at a specified date he would be terminated from part time employment with the Southwest Region Conference.

As it was reliably related to me, JRE went into depression, wouldn’t anyone after you have given your life to a cause? To only be tossed out like the souls you have brought to this conference meant nothing?  If it was not for his good companion, who knows what might have happened to him, JRE could have died. The loss of that income was devastating to him and his wife even though it did not damage him with his relationship to Jesus Christ. The fact that termination was so cold blooded and thoughtless would seem unimaginable to any pastor or member. JRE’s pastoral ministry to find the lost may not be matched by many. Yet they terminated him and painted him in negative terms eyewitnesses say. Why?

More tears flow from the President’s desk….

tearsCRY #2: FROM REB: I have known REB since I was a small child. I loved him then and much more now. Arguably, REB is one of the best if not the greatest preacher I have ever known. RB’s sermons come packed with substance. Personally I don’t believe a pastor today can match him sermon for sermon. Pound for pound REB is the greatest heavyweight preacher in the world of Adventism. Yet REB became a casualty of the President’s capitalistic mindset. As related to me through interviews, the President called him into the office and gave him a scenario and offer. It went something like this: “If you retire now I will allow you to continue to work part time with benefits. It will free up a salary to bring on someone else.” Now, when the financial floor caved in through mismanagement, last year REB was approached by the President at the campground during a retreat and given a verbal pink slip that May 15th 2014 would be his last day losing all of his benefits. Without further explanation. The President withdrew from his previously agreed commitment made to REB. What can I say? This did not just happen. It came from Green’s capitalist mental retreat on a promised agreement. Consider a third cry from under the President’s desk….

@ettubrut2CRY #3: FROM MRM: Considered by many a person of courage, though not as flamboyant as some of his colleagues the leadership and unity he demonstrated in Dallas area amongst ministers was astonishing, amongst many source reports in this area.  At least, unquestionably, he stood for his colleagues to get a fair hearing and needed knowledge before they signed something that they might regret. This is more than Cox, Ford, or Jones did who champion themselves as the leaders in our capital of SWRC, as they were exempt from this offer due to their positions in the conference. The capitalist mind of President Green took from MRM one of the two churches in his district, Casalita Drive and gave it to Elder Ken Dixon so that he could be eligible for ordination. The President told MRM that he would have one church, Dallas Fellowship Church and “should spend the rest of his time building it up.” Within less than a year the President “turned coat” on MRM and allowed the ad hoc committee to relocate him to Alexandria, Louisiana, a state that he spent most of his career in twice. Many who know him, especially Elder Green,  know that this move would have caused MRM to relocate as a senior citizen which would have made it a hardship for MRM to receive adequate medical treatment. Anyway, MRM appealed to the Executive Committee and they over turned the relocation. But, not after he had to appeal to the SW Union President. President Green knew of his hardship before the ad hoc committee decision.

Circulating around the SWRC, some ministers believed that the President may have removed MRM from the Dallas Fellowship Church where Dixon thought he would be going (unbelievable) as a possible church for the President should things go sour in September. The current arrangement now, may be indicative of some kind of arrangement for the President to remain in the Dallas area should things go down bad. When I asked sources who know MRM how things went at his review they  indicated that the Ministerial Director and President said his service was commendable. He was disappointed that the President would not give him an excellent rating, the highest level, because as stated by the capitalist mind of Green, “everyone needs improvement” even after he was publically admonished by Elder Green at a meeting at camp meeting, where many ministers felt that Elder Green was dishonest about having little knowledge of senior ministerial concerns over the incentive program.  Several ministerial sources report that Elder Green became so angry rumors of payback for MRM were imminent and more than confirmed for him. MRM still refuses to comment on this after my email requests, as he characterizes Elder Green as his friend first and his concerns were his responsibility and role as the leader of the association, how so MRM? Et..Tu Brute? Most ministers have commented and believe that this drastic move for MRM was out of retaliation of his outspoken leadership in representing the senior ministerial demographic in the conference, no one has told me differently. One of my sources close to the executive committee expressed that MRM was gratefully thankful to the Executive Committee even though the ad hoc committee added a third church to the district in retaliation to the executive committee’s decision to vote in favor of MRM’s appeal. Why won’t MRM speak out again? Would you?

defeatCRY #4: FROM JM: JM ministered down in the Monroe area and maintained several churches successfully. The Monroe district notoriously prevails as a difficult area to minister. JM prevented one church near Shreveport from drying up while maintaining others. JM is a good minister and person. The sad fact continues from a capitalist mind when he wanted a hearing at the Executive Committee way back in September or October 2014, sometime when it was rumored that a Rally Day of protest against the moves would take place. JM stood up and asked to address the Committee. Sam Green turned him away but eventually was allowed to address the Executive Committee with no avail. The fact remains, the Executive committee allowed JM to walk in to the sunset apparently without a concrete reason. To me he should have been given an opportunity for ordination—the situation being no different than Ken Dixon. Now think of how long JM worked for the SWRC part time and gave full time service? Sources tell me who have interviewed JM that he felt betrayed by the people he has known for years yet gave him no reconsideration. This synopsis of FW is tearful….

 

conflictCRY #5: FROM FW: Finally, we come to a very colorful minister who lives and pastors in the Houston area. Sam Green has sat on at least three of his relocations. No one familiar with his ministry can deny that FW over the years has been successful in ministry. As a matter of fact Dr. Gordon Jones could not touch him because FW went to some of the hard places that the Ministerial Director would not like to be relocated should he not be returned in September. Over the years, no President questioned the productivity of pastor FM because the statistic would reveal excellent. FW now pastors four churches a real hardship that may be detrimental to his health. Younger ministers don’t understand that one day they will get sick too.

Now the top four men and one woman would give this man an unfavorable report basically because in the last two years he has been sick and injured. I should pause to mention that the SW Union did not give our President an unfavorable report when he missed work because of his recent major surgery and long term recovery. Nor did they seek to terminate him because of Sam Green’s failing health. But the capitalist mind of the President would make it hard for someone who deserved a break.

The problem about the ministerial reviews was how it was developed. What instrument did they use if any? Experts reveal that such an instrument is often developed by employees as a standard for review. Sad to say, from the capitalist mind of the President, he left that in the hands of Dr. Jones as well—the so named, so proclaimed by the President as the hardest working pastor in the SWRGC. What an insult to the rest of ministry. If you don’t like someone and are biased about their work you will look for anything to give that person an unfavorable rating. Once again we see a capitalist mindset. If things were as bad as they say, why didn’t Jones and Green go to FW’s district and work personally with him as needed so that he could be pulled up to review standard if they felt that FW was deficient?

Well, these are five cries from under the President’s desk that one day he will have to answer to God for. As stated in the movie American Sniper, I’m sure the President will say, “I am ready to meet my maker for every one of them I shot and killed.” And Green will be judged according to how he fairly administered social justice as compared to Christ’s standard in the New Testament. Apparently that will determine entrance into heaven—if not reconciled.

president sam greenCONCLUSION: Why did the President bring more workers into the office at a time that he was aware of the Conference experiencing a financial meltdown because of poor planning and mismanagement? He brought in a Communication Director, two Under Treasurers, a Bible worker that could have been terminated as recent hires, before reassigning mostly senior men to 3 and 4 churches. He could have cut from the office but instead exempted Administration and office personnel, the departments which could have been merged to save money and prevent the pastors from losing their employment. At the time of his tearful resignation as treasurer of the SWRGC in the middle 80’s he was Secretary/Treasurer. But Sam Green’s old style, managerial capitalistic mind prevented him from using less evasive means to save ALL the deserving men from termination. Consider the cries of pastors above and pray for them for their journey of hardship is not over!

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93 Responses to Five Cries From Under the President’s Desk: Let’s Just Be Real People!

  1. FROM THE [RIGHT] says:

    AGREED!

    BUT: To get change we have to be prepared to MARCH in September inside the Church or Gym.

    DON’T VOTE THE PROPOSED CONSTITUTION UNTIL OUR DEMANDS ARE HEARD. BECAUSE THE CONSTITUION AND BYLAWS ARE THE ROAD MAPS FOR HOW THE SWRGC ADMINISTRATORS WILL GOVERN FOR THE NEXT 5 YEARS.

    WE MUST BE HEARD! WE MUST DEMAND THAT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! WE MUST DEMAND A BETTER WAY OF DOING BUSINESS! WE MUST DEMAND OPENNESS THAT LEADS TO UNITY!

    WE NEED 100 CHRISTIAN MEN AND WOMEN WHO WILL MEET AT THE UNION OFFICE, AT THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE PRIOR TO CONSTITUENCY MEETING FOR A PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATION!

    WE WANT TO MEET WITH THE UNION PRESIDENT, ELDER LARRY MOORE.

    PLEASE ADD TO THE LIST BELOW:

    OUR PLATFORM TO BE HEARD FOR CHANGE:

    Your voice will be heard if you are present as a force of 100 with the demand to meet with the Union President.

    – Our meeting will be for the purpose of demanding Transparency and notification of and before major purchases are made OR global relocations are instituted.

    – Retribution has no place in our work by our leaders.

    – A full disclosure of what happened in the last two years and why.

    – What is more important: land or people? people and jobs come first!

    – Removal of persons who had anything to do with the financial disaster of the past two years, developers of the unjust Incentive Exit Program, and other discisions that led to the recent terminations of workers or their relocatons.

    – Reinstatement of men who were unjustly terminated and relocated.

    – A Ministerial Association cannot be controlled by the administrators or led by anyone with administration or departments. That article need to be changed to protect the integrity of the ministers it is supposed to serve.

    – WE WILL DEMAND FOR A NEW PRESIDENT AND LEADERSHIP WHO IS PREPARED TO SET A POSITIVE DIRECTION FOR A UNIFIED SWRGC THAT WILL PROMOTE THE THIRD ANGELS MESSAGE.

    CAN WE COUNT YOU IN? PASTOR WILL YOU STAND FOR ALL?

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  2. FROM THE [RIGHT] says:

    The president is on the run….

    When you are running you are losing.

    Yes it is true! He is now in his closed in situation room figuring out how he can cover up more of his bad decisions before September. Yes, he is sending out his dogs to put the spin on bad deals as they vomit out even more lies. Don’t get in the their paths of nasty projectiles of distorted falsification of truths. It’s too nasty.

    We have peacefully asked him not to let the dogs out. But his dogs have bitten their leash and are now running the yards with growls of distorted information.

    CONSTITUENTS….BE NOT DECIEVED!

    Demand the truth and the written eveidence.

    Hold N. Jones, McCoy, G. Jones, Foster, the Ad Hoc Committee and others who were in on it from the Executive Comm. Accountable.

    I support a PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATION AT THE CONSTITUENCY MEETING. IF DONE PROPERLY IT WILL SET THE STAGE FOR YEARS TO COME!

    I will be with the 100 christian men and women who are willing to stand for justice.

    Pastor….are you chicken? Are you cowards. If you can’t stand for justice then you shouldn’t ever give an opinion on issues like police murdering innocent brown and black men and women.

    What about the killing of pastors?

    With protest comes accountability and transparency.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Your demonstration needs to take place in Burleson in August when the small committee meets. No point waiting until they choose the leaders for the next 4 years.

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      • FROM THE [RIGHT] says:

        AGREED!

        BUT: To get change we have to be prepared to MARCH in September inside the Church or Gym.

        DON’T VOTE THE PROPOSED CONSTITUTION UNTIL OUR DEMANDS ARE HEARD. BECAUSE THE CONSTITUION AND BYLAWS ARE THE ROAD MAPS FOR HOW THE SWRGC ADMINISTRATORS WILL GOVERN FOR THE NEXT 5 YEARS.

        WE MUST BE HEARD! WE MUST DEMAND THAT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! WE MUST DEMAND A BETTER WAY OF DOING BUSINESS! WE MUST DEMAND OPENNESS THAT LEADS TO UNITY!

        WE NEED 100 CHRISTIAN MEN AND WOMEN WHO WILL MEET AT THE UNION OFFICE, AT THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE PRIOR TO CONSTITUENCY MEETING FOR A PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATION!

        WE WANT TO MEET WITH THE UNION PRESIDENT, ELDER LARRY MOORE.

        PLEASE ADD TO THE LIST BELOW:

        OUR PLATFORM TO BE HEARD FOR CHANGE:

        Your voice will be heard if you are present as a force of 100 with the demand to meet with the Union President.

        – Our meeting will be for the purpose of demanding Transparency and notification of and before major purchases are made OR global relocations are instituted.

        – Retribution has no place in our work by our leaders.

        – A full disclosure of what happened in the last two years and why.

        – What is more important: land or people? people and jobs come first!

        – Removal of persons who had anything to do with the financial disaster of the past two years, developers of the unjust Incentive Exit Program, and other discisions that led to the recent terminations of workers or their relocatons.

        – Reinstatement of men who were unjustly terminated and relocated.

        – A Ministerial Association cannot be controlled by the administrators or led by anyone with administration or departments. That article need to be changed to protect the integrity of the ministers it is supposed to serve.

        – WE WILL DEMAND FOR A NEW PRESIDENT AND LEADERSHIP WHO IS PREPARED TO SET A POSITIVE DIRECTION FOR A UNIFIED SWRGC THAT WILL PROMOTE THE THIRD ANGELS MESSAGE.

        CAN WE COUNT YOU IN? PASTOR WILL YOU STAND FOR ALL?

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  3. ANONYMOUS says:

    Another sensational statement from this blog.

    The real truth that can be told before the election in September is: “This administration revealed little transparency. Basically, they covered up their failures at your expense.

    SWRGC, don’t give anyone of the big 4+mad dog Foster, a break and pass. Foster was the mastermind behind the Incentive Exit Program for ministers and bible instructors and presently is the President’s gopher (Go for this, go for that). The other 4 administrators which include Ministerial devised the plan to get rid of you…that’s right, YOU, senior pastors. They withheld information from you the members which would have revealed their real intentions and deliberately neglected to inform you. They did this all for a legacy to outdo the former President.

    The Ministerial Director is HAWK with a smile but a real KILLER! He did little or nothing to advance the ministry within the SWRGC. So when he put on a theater performance with a trumped up “I did list” believe me it won’t be what he really reveals. Beware of this. He is a Hawk not a dove. And he was behind the terminations.

    Would you actually reelect the same people to lead you for the next 4 or 5 years?

    This would be insane people.

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    • TERMINATED WORKER says:

      The statement above shows real cred. Foster killed pastors with a smile and little sensitivity.

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      • Anonymous says:

        From the Right:
        The incentive package was formulated by a quasi accountant-Foster: he has no conscience. At least the ministerial director can be reasoned with. In my humble opinion

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    • Anonymous says:

      It’s not the ministerial director. Foster hates pastors and he was able to stick it to them because of his close alliance with Green. I repeat, FOSTER HATES THE PASTORS. HE IS ENEMY #1. If you all don’t ban together and get rid of him you will continue to be in a world of hurt.

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      • FROM THE [RIGHT] says:

        Anonymous:

        Now that is the comment of the week. He must go!

        But inside sources reveal that Jones was a major piece of the puzzle. He does not no the men in this field and is a very arrogant person with his beliefs. Had he listened to a good person who tried to help him he would have been an electable person. But instead, as someone close to him have revealed, he won’t stop unitl he gets to the top. Austin is a stepping stone, being President is a stepping stone, being General Conference President is a stepping stone and being God is a stepping stone. His political beauty and pride will cause his fall. Humpty dumpty sat on a wall….Jones is on this wall.

        He held the “coats” and virtually ordered the massacre of pastors. The poor little pastors didn’t have someone to speak for them. He wasted them with out a tear. Humpty’s story reveals pride and arrogance Because he became a political nighmare.

        Jones knew all the time what was going to happen to the preachers and failed to inform them. He said nothing for them. Tell me what has he done as a true Ministerial Director?

        Let’s see, ummm: The issue of terminating preachers and retiring others on a stupid Incentive Exit buy out was a political means to elect a younger President, HIM; this was justifiable homicide for Jones because of the present and real danger of the out of control spending by the 3 administrators plus HIM. That’s why among preachers he is known as “Lucky.” He was sent to Austin a place he did not earn. He became Ministerial, an office he leaped frogged over other good men. Now he is scouring the territory campaigning for President.

        He also carries the description of a small little DOG who would sell out his best friend for power and control. Always remember, no matter who is running in the end, if elected, it will be about power and control.

        NO, he has to go and answer for his genocide of pastors. Most constituents hate killing innocent ministers who have served all their lives.

        However, whether we agree or not, your comment has much life. Thanks for saying what you mean.

        THIS IS MY OPINION AS A LAY PERSON

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  4. FROM THE [RIGHT] says:

    TO THE LEADERS OF THE SWRGC: DID YOU MISS THIS? OR, WERE YOU SLEEPING?

    Of all the leaders the Ministerial Director of the Conference should have been the first to cousel the President from this Statement below. His neglect to carry forth his knowledge of these matters below suggest he is unfit for leadership as a President or even to serve in the office. Will you hold him accountable?

    World Survey Commission Report
    Monte Sahlin

    Confidence in Leaders—There is room for an increase in the confidence of church members in church leaders and in the credibility of the various levels of church organization. The survey identifies the need for increased openness, disclosure, and accountability by church organizations and leaders.

    Conclusion: Giving is proportional to the storehouse members are sending their money too. Could it be that there exists a low confidence in our Conference because they have covered the glass of transparency?

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  5. Haile Sellasse says:

    The last proposition touches the timorous in just the right cord and I must say like the old negro “before I be a slave I will be buried in my grave but I have to take somebody with me”!Yes I will fight to the last because the aim of this administration is to take us back to the plantation and if we stand idly by,that will be our just reward!
    It will be noted that this conference self destructed because we could not see that we had any potential!Gone will be the regional retirement plan, the Lone Star Campground,our medical benefits,and other benefits slyly stole from us!Justice has been denied!We must rise above the schism and serious division which will lead us back into slavery if we continue on the dangerous path we are on!
    Who let the dogs in?United we stand divided we fall and this administration building on the last,has continued the tactic of divide and conquer!Does it not seem strange that we no longer have workers meetings where we all come together and get to know each other and ask questions of our leaders who were not in hiding?Keeping workers separated keeps them suspicious of each other and prevents them from asking questions and from being supportive of each other!
    Big Dawg.Lil Wimpy,and Shirley Poodle.take notice that a rebellion bigger than the Southern Rebellion is about to take place to overthrow the slavery that you have succeeded in putting the pastors and their families into!/no amount of preparation on your part will prepare you for it because this rebellion was of your own making!You can run but you cannot hide!The facts are staring you in the face and if the Union tries to cover for you, they expose themselves.Just a spoonful of honesty after building the welcome center would have easily guaranteed a smooth reelection but covering up overspending and blaming it on senior workers will lead to rebellion and your downfall.Those who stood quietly knowing about it must be replaced too!This doctrine of dishonesty and polity will not only lead to your discipline but also to your downfall unless we all want to return to slavery!What an insult this must be to heaven itself!We must stop trying to be like the slaveholder of old and insulting heaven as a result!”Our Maker is our Master and those who dare chain us down in soul and body of the slave,to keep us in degradation like the brutes,will have their retribution.The wrath of God has slumbered but it will awake and be poured out without mixture of mercy.”Testimonies for the Church,Vol.1.p358

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  6. MARCUS GARVEY says:

    At last some action is about to take place!I was fearful that Ben Carson was the only one to steal the spotlight but thank heavens for the great SWRC OF SDA!We are about to make history again for being the conference with the most potential and natural resources and completely clueless about it.As one of our own would have been and still wants to be presidents stated so well on numerous occasions we can’t hit a moving target!!If we follow Northeastern and Lake Region conferences,then our only choices in September will be :do we make Spanish our dominant language or West Indian?What happened to the American Negro or African Americans or colored people or the invisible people who just gave up their identity?Whatever happened to good old black nationalism?Wake up everybody there are some vandals in the house!
    HOW MANY PASTORS MUST BE PICKED OUT TO BE PICKED ON AND THROWN OUT BEFORE THE VISIONARY LEADERS WILL STAND UP AND BE COUNTED?DO NOT BE AFRAID OF THE BULLY IN THE ROOM BECAUSE HE IS ACTUALLY AFRAID OF YOU! REMEMBER IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE HE COMES AFTER YOU!

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  7. POP GOES THE WEASEL says:

    Pop Goes the Weasel

    To all ministers: We are asking you to be counted for in the protest that will take place at the September SWRGC election. It will be peaceful. We want you to stand for your rights that could be soon taken away. We are asking for 100 brave men and women to approach the platform in silence and demand justice for all. Demand Righteousness which can only lead to fairness and mercy.

    Where is our Union President? Why will he sit back and allow our Conference to make such global decisions that may affect us for the many years to come? Why won’t he speak out?

    Will you really march down to the big meeting and put this President or the 4 arbitrators of injustice back in office? We want everyone to bring a broom to the meeting indicating a clean sweep. Send a message to the North American Division that we are united for justice for all.

    Sweep the floor…..

    Pop goes the weasel may be you no matter what happens and who is elected. If you don’t raise your voice against what has happen to so many preachers and the ones they are going after now, you could be next. Pop goes the weasel.

    Stand for something! Be something positive for change!

    The slaughter of senior men is not over yet! A major objective is not under way to get rid of you and send you into the dust before your time. Don’t let the fat cats do this to you. Don’t let them thumb you out because you were afraid to say something.

    This administration is sick in the head as describe by Isaiah. Believe it or not there exist a conspiracy to get rid of you and advance themselves.

    Why would you elect anyone who would who would not have your interest at heart. Sweep the office of out of control bugs.

    Pop goes the weasel! And pop could be you!

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    • Anonymous says:

      Another idiotic idea. When you come with your brooms will you have an intelligent option or will you stand there like fools to be punked by the Union pres and constituency? Stop been childish and hood. Present intellectual discourse that will lead to viable change

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      • POP GOES THE WEASEL says:

        Where is your ideas Mr. Stupid?

        An intellectual discourse with your rhetoric has never achieved much for change. That’s why you are punched out of the mainstream of intellectual thinkers. Wow…there is always your kind that thinks on a kindergarten level. Tell us what you will do? Or are you still in kindergarten? Or are you just playing stupid?

        People are hurting! While you make Tom And Jerry noise.

        You have yet to show what you believe. Which brings me to think you must be one of those coward preachers who see nothing, ask for everything but get nowhere. Or maybe you are one of those idiots in the castle who want to be king or the king? POP GOES THE WEASEL.

        Reading you brings nothing except the status quo of more failure which makes you into a peep show. And that is unfortunate that blogs are infested with peeps who have nothing to add.

        As I have said. Pop goes the weasel- weasel.

        What say you?B-)

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      • Anonymous says:

        That response right there is the very reason you will get nowhere. Anger and ignorance is the fabric by which you are weaved. It’s a useless hopeless weave, can’t cut through it. You are doomed. Your next pres will punk you and you will continue to be punked. Why? Ignorance, anger, lack of a spiritual connection etc. I repeat, you are doomed

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      • POP GOES THE WEASEL says:

        Once again anonymous you have said nothing, added nothing which equals nothing. It’s like an egg without a yoke, empty which says something about someone’s brains.

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      • Roll Call says:

        ANONYMOUS

        You remind me of someone we all know who is cunning. THE DEVIL. Read Steps to Christ and you will find peace.

        Like POP.GOES THE WEASEL SAID…..say something that has some meaning instead of trying to instigate.

        To be honest your words don’t indicate anger. They suggest insanity. You can’t get any where with the insane. And occasionally the eccentric find there way to blogs for emotional release. Get some help buddy.

        DID YOU TAKE YOUR MEDICATION?

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    • Anonymous says:

      Carry on..he who laughs last, laughs best. September!!!!

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      • Roll Call says:

        I’m laughing. Keep commenting. It’s good to another perspective.

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      • ICE says:

        Anonymous:

        I am sorry that your little feelings got hurt. This is not a laughing matter. Once again, I think you have something to add to this conversation. I’d like to know what you would do whether you agree or not with the comments on this blog. Roll Call and Pop cool down on Anonymous. He could be an SWRGC person but who cares. They have an opinion even if they work for Green or Frank, Dino and Jerry or some other interest.

        We know that their are spies on this blog to try and detect who is commenting. I fear none of them because I am a layman and I will say what I think is right. I don’t care if they know who I am. They must be desperate to find someone so they can inflict more pain and suffering. Anonymous….are you laughing with these People or against them?

        So Anonymous keep on keeping on. Who knows, you might be lauging last. If that comes to be true, the majority will lose.

        Anonymous go and smoke the pipe.

        It’s cold up in the SWRGC Mega Castle. It’s FROZEN! I’m smoking the pipe!

        ICE….OUT

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  8. Sojourner Truth says:

    The saddest thing of it all is that the Lord is coming back and we who are the heralds of this end time message for this dying world are so caught up in politicking!Do you really think The Lord cares about our egos?Wake up people it is almost time for the Lord to come!Look at the signs all around you and realize that our time for this old earth is wrapping up quickly.We need to stop rehearsing our petty slights and wounds.Lets stop complaining and lets start praising God!The devil knows his time is short so he is going to use anybody and everybody if we let him!So let us call for a truce.We need to pray and fast and forgive and move on.We are either on God’s side or Satan’s side and what we say and do indicates just whose team we are on.So let us start affirming each other and talk about the good points that we have.this is a wonderful conference bursting with potential so much that outsiders wan to get in and see how they can capitalize on our resources!Most people who leave here can’t wait to come back so that means something good.As we see signs of the time of trouble happening all around us and to some of us,take heed for your redemption draweth nigh!It has been a blast working with you peeps but now it is time to say goodbye and God bless hoping to see you on the other side!

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    • ICE says:

      Yes, we need to do all that you mentioned. BUT, “Occupy till I come.” Until Jesus comes we still have to deal with the present world, the present imperfect people who make bad decisions and the present leadership that threatens worker security at the expense of their gain.

      The present leadership is out of touch with the Three Angels Messages and the ethical and moral concerns expressed by Jesus. To sit around and not address these concerns would be sinful. “Occupy till I come.”

      What are you doing about offenses to your fellow ministers who have received the hammer of unemployment?

      Could you be a chicken minister who wants everyone else to fight for you when you are afraid to fight for yourself?

      Are you willing to let your fellow pastor/worker get fired so that you can advance?

      If you had protested in solidarity against the treatment of your fellow brothers at that Friday workers meeting last year at camp meeting, and registered your protest as a group, you would have seen major changes from this Administration.

      You get know where when you have the mentality of: “Let someone else be the fall guy.” To be a leader you have to get dirty sometimes and stand for what it right. But, unfortunately we have cowardly ministerial core.

      IT IS NOW TIME TO REGISTER A REAL PROTEST AT THIS COMING CONSTITUENCY MEETING. WE NEED 100 BRAVE CHRISTIAN MEN AND WOMEN TO REGISTER A PEACEFUL PROTEST AGAINST AN OUT-OF-CONTROL ADMINISTRATION!

      Will you be one of the 100 we need? I hope you will!

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  9. King Shecoliah says:

    KIck rocks!They can all kick rocks because how many of them are making any sacrifices or contributions anyway?The powerless people in power just want to hold onto position and do nothing with it!What difference are they making aside from taking the conference into the red?What difference will somebody new bring if we are using the same paradigm?We will only perpetuate gross or more gross incompetence!Putting powerless people into positions of power is like giving your car keys to ids who don’t know how to drive and telling them to be careful!how much pain and misery is necessary before we stop self destruction?The solution is right here in this very conference but if we keep going outside we will continue to self destruct!It is time for something bigger than Operation Activation!

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    • Anonymous says:

      You all are too bitter and angry. You are loosing your focus. I don’t think any of you believe in the power of prayer:-(

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      • ICE says:

        Being bitter and angry is an emotional response to something that is negative. Being terminated or relocated for political reasons is something very negative and painful. The purpose of this blog is for those who have a concern have a medium to voice their opinions. Sometimes these opinions might be negative!

        Remember, their are people when they have to face unemployment or unfair workforce treatment may express their anger by going POSTAL! And you will agree that no one wins when this happens. So in this way their so called negative expressions are a good thing–preventive medicine.

        The most negative entity of all is an administration who will not listen or allow these free speech expressions to be made. How pitiful!

        Believe it or not their are ministers and workers who are on the edge right now of possibly going postal. What is the current administration doing to address these emotional concerns. (read the above well written article)

        It’s cold in here! ON ICE BECAUSE OF THE NEGATIVE DECISIONS OF THIS ADMINISTRATION

        ICE

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  10. Jack Nicholsen says:

    Do not be afraid just plan to methodically take the enemy down slowly but surely because God is on your side!Be persistent Big Dawg fears persistence!he punked out as treasure back in the eighties and punked out as secretary treasurer again showing that he has no staying power!Impotent yes so be persistent!Lil Wimpy is is gonna be Lil Wimpy if he has to grow a pair it is too late for that!Shirley the Poodle must be shocked that she has not been put down before but we cannot afford anymore of her million dollar fiascos!NOw let’s get rid of all the departmental people starting with Lucky tell him the free rides with no background checks are over!how in the heck did he get in here and get to sit in judgment over pastors who made it possible for him to have another chance and now he plays this little pious game of superiority what a pompous punk! What have we heard from Sabbath school and personal ministries?How useful is stewardship?Why are these departments cumbering the ground and taking up space?The administrative assistants are doing the work so why are we being duplicitous?No need to duplicate save some salaries and let these men do what they say they were called to do !PASTOR!It would not hurt for Big Dawg to pastor but don’t give him some easy district give him something that will make him pray and remember assignments he gave that were destined to fail!What a pompous unchristlike thing to imagine must less follow through to the snapping point!Please clean out the treasury department as well no more free passes!We have finally reached the point of no return!!!Something’s Gotta Give!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Let’s do it today!

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  11. Marcus Garvey says:

    Watch the regional retirement plan i think slg has a hidden agenda to destroy it !What does he care?He does not stand to benefit from it because he was in the union fighting against its inception!He cannot be trusted look what he did to Sister T!He ain’t but a snake in the grass!Pay attention people!He will destroy your birthright!Tell him to keep his hands off of our money!Look at what he did to our campground!Look at the money he wasted!Can you really trust him or anyone who works with him?No!No!No! Get rid of the devil before he gets rid of you!Ask any one of those pastors that he got rid of! Give him a chance and he will get rid of you too!He does not believe in black nationalism!

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  12. Dolomite9 says:

    While we slept,little men came in and stole our birthright and they did it intentionally and made it look like an accident!While we slept ,little men put other little men in charge!Big Dawg is none other than jake the snake who is nothing but fake!He already let you know from his track record that he could not be trusted! How do we keep electing losers and expect to win?Look at the person’s track record and you will see whether they can be trusted!Do not believe in conversion upon election!Buyer beware ask questions and wait for the answers!What does their resume look like?how many wives do they have?Do they beat their wives?How do they treat their family?Are they passive aggressive?Are they visionary?What kind of visions?We must act now and be proactive instead of reactive!
    We are dealing with Beelzebub himself and he does not fight according to the rules!He will lie and look at you straight faced!He will swear on the bible and tell you he believes in prayer!Don’t believe the hype!Do not be intimidated!The bullys do not have the bravery they were born with!Get rid of the whole bunch and leave neither root nor branch!You definitely deserve better and so do your children and grandchildren!The Lord keep delaying His coming because we can’t get it together!

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  13. FROM THE [RIGHT] says:

    ARE WE REALLY NEGATIVE?

    THE ABOVE ARTICLE HAS REACHED A READERSHIP OF OVER 1000!

    Some pundits who hate this bog and wish it would go away have referred to it as, negative. Before I say anything else, any of these “putdowns” read the newspapers with regularity and never think of how negative it is before they open up it’s pages. Yet to say they read the New York Times they might think themselves to be smart not thinking that the front page is filled with disaster.

    For them to make such an obsured gratuitous suggestion, points to the simple truth that they read this blog regulary. If they did not access it they could not make such a presupposition. It would be illogical to suggest something is negative if you did not read it. Most candidates who are running behind in the polls start painting their critics as, NEGATIVE. Right now Sam Green is running behind in the polls. In fact, he losing in the polls of trust and leadership.

    For your information people are reading this blog from ALL OVER THE WORLD! They want to know what is going on in the SWRGC. Since they can’t get it from our leaders they are dependent on getting information from this site.

    To this I ask”‘ “What is more negative than terminating employees and retiring them before their time?” Or, “To lead the Conference into a financial hell hole?” Certainly this blog did not do this. So, you can conclude that the negative actions of a “gone nuts” administrationk will “spin” the negative on anyone who opposes their stupid decisions.

    This next election will not be about how negative a news magazine like this one might be painted, but about facts and fiction. DID SAM GREEN LEAD THE SWRGC ALONG WITH McCOY, JONES, G, JONES, FOSTER, BROOKS, THE PRINCIPLE ARCHITECTS OF A NOW FAILING CONFERENCE, INTO A FINANCIAL DISASTER? The negative truth is, YES! Should they be given a second chance? NO!

    Green will have to prove that under his leadership that this disaster was not created by him, but by the last President, Billy Wright which Green has under the desk said to others quietly that Wright was the culprit. However, Executive Committee members from the last Committee will rise and say that the Conference was not in the financial state that it is in now. This will lead many others to take the microphone and as a series of questions are put forth by you, as to what lead us to the financial hell hole we are in now may mean an all night constituency meeting all created by Green, McCoy, Jones, G. Jones, and Brooks.

    BRING YOU SLEEPING BLANKETS!

    FROM THE [RIGHT]

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    • Anonymous says:

      If it goes all night you will lose. The constituents don’t care about the pastors and their well being. When they get tired, they will leave and those who stay behind will vote anything. Again, do your homework and come with viable succinct arguments.

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      • FROM THE [RIGHT] says:

        Once again I think you are on target. I do think the people care about pastors and their well being BUT as you indicated this might not be the turning point for a different President. This will be a historic meeting because it will determine the future direction of the Conference.

        I believe a young person will get it because because senior men are now facing retirement and have health issues. They may lack the stamina to endure the pressure over time. It is clear across the denominational lines that the people want experience over youth. Rumors out of Austin suggest that even the pastor of one of the churches DOES NOT BELIEVE IN THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY! Will the people vote for someone who left the Texas Conference with negative baggage?

        The former President would not allow ministers to be ordained because of their tithe giving but would bring in people that he knew were tainted with undisclosed negative baggage. This President has gifted some pastors yet would put the hammer on others for lack of tithe paying. How diabolical!

        Would you vote for that person?

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  14. FROM THE RIGHT says:

    Having read the above articles and comments below, it seems quite evident that our Conference is in a shake down. The problem I have is whether or not the goons of politics will once again attempt to run [their] guy or gal while secretely holding their choice close to the vest. If you are reading this blog, don’t vote for anyone who works in a closet.

    I nominate the The Forgotten Shepherdess for President. At least this person is doing something worthwhile–that informs the constituent. Cox and Ford, what are you doing to make a difference and bring the constitutents together?

    To be honest Ford and Cox this concerns a lot of people in the SWRGC because as articles on this blog have rightley pointed out, “both of you have been doing this political nonsense for years.” Why do “little men” in ministry follow your skirts? Are you guilty of political gesturing? That’s what people see in you. Whatever!

    What you are doing is out right dumb. Because you will make it possible for the the same President to get reelected or someone else who you might not be able to control. However, there is one thing we have in common, WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE THIS PRESIDENT RETURNED IN SEPTEMBER.

    With no toe jam aside….I could swing my vote for you Ford.—if you demonstrated compassion and a workable new direction with out all that tough guy stuff, police drama, and SWAT nonsense. In comparison to Cox you make him look like Dark Vadar on Star Wars. And the young puppies, they can’t touch you! What I am saying is, “you have the ability but do you have the courage to change to lead all people into a real healthy Conference? Will you retire people before their time? Personally I do not believe that you would have acted as this President has. PASTORAL EXPERIENCE!

    GIVE THAT MAN SOME GRITS AND HONEY!

    Here is what I would like to see. Come to the table with a guy or gal we can live with or let us see your platform for leadership. And like the list from the brother below–use it to make sure we have a safe, visionary, compassionate leader/manager.

    Both of you would be stupid to put your syrup toward Brooks or Jones. These young puppies are eagar but are radical which means that neither one of you would get along with each other. We would end up with 4-5 years of more chaos.

    A safe candidate would be Toney T. Yes, I said it. He’s opinionated but accessable. Would he be fair to the guys and gals or would he bring in some people we don’t even know? Tony T has the experience and could have my support and vote. I don’t believe that Tony T would make the mistakes the current President has made. Pastoral Experience! If he could guarantee us that he would focus in on the home court and not the world court we could have a winner. Plus he should be the number one contender based on experience and name recognition. Ahhhh…right now he has my vote.

    There is one thing both of you could do. Sit your A’s down and do nothing for the first time and see what happens. This might be better than being seen pushing the bells for retirement. Remember Cox, Joab might be becoming for you come this September with a Voluntary Incentive Exit plan. Willl you take it?

    USE YOUR BRAINS NOT YOUR TAILS–UNLESS YOUR CONSTIPATED TAILS HAVE LOCKED UP AND YOUR BRAINS CAN NO LONGER FUNCTION—AND THEN YOUR TAILS CONTROL YOUR BRAINS,

    From the [Right]

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  15. Michael Manley says:

    SLG came here to destroy the regional retirement plan even if it meant wasting money on the campground!Think about it!Why didn’t the Union come down on him for overspending by i million dollars plus and not even call him in on the carpet!SLG only wanted 1 term to destroy our financial picture drive us into bankruptcy and worse and kill the regional retirement so that the white man can get control of it!The Union loves SLG again because of what he has managed to do to this regional conference!When he is through there will not be any money left to speak of!SLG used to be the Stewardship Director and never once said anything about using that as a solution to our financial extremes!This whole thing is nothing more than a setup and a sellout!
    He is not a black muslim nor is he an uncle tom but he has managed to sellout his own brothers and sisters who have borne the battle in the heat of the day!He talks black but he sold us out!He cannot even look you in the eye!He is not a black nationalist he is not to be trusted anymore unless you just want to be a great big Dummy or Dummies!

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  16. Haile Selassie says:

    Don’t get punked!Tell the present administration to kick rocks and don’t settle for anything less than the best and that goes for for any gutless executive committee members too!No ,ore free rides!Obama is leaving office and black folks need to wake up and smell the postum in our case!

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  17. Haile Selassie says:

    Remember that fateful day in May 2011!Who guessed then that we would be tricked into extending the reign of terror 4 months longer than expected!Who knew we were gluttons for punishment?Have we learned anything?

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  18. Haile Selassie says:

    Watch his body language!

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  19. Haile Selassie says:

    Verify verify verify!Fools rush in where angels fear to tread!Verify ,verify verify!Ask questions and remember there are no stupid questions!Ask does he beat his wife?Has he ever beat his wife?How many wives has he had?how many wives has he beat?What is his relationship with his children?How does he get along with his colleagues?Is he for unity or division?

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  20. Haile Selassie says:

    I repeat “righteousness exalteth a nation but sin is a reproach to any people”!The end does not justify the means!Those who forget the past are destined to repeat it!Beware of outsiders and beware of wolves in sheep clothes!

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  21. moges Selassie says:

    Something is wrong with anybody who is willing to risk life and health and anything else to be president and the conference will end up broke and responsible for all his healthcare!Oh good reason to be president !Let the conference foot the bill!Brilliant idea!The height of hypocrisy is to blame healthcare problems of some workers whose cost of care is a fraction of your own but blame them as reason to get rid of senior workers!How foolish or presumptuous to think God will bless this mess!That is why we are still in a financial mess right now!”Righteousness exalteth a nation.but sin is a reproach to any people”.”The end does not justify the means.

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  22. The Red Barron says:

    Anonymous lets not be naive anybody will promise you anything to get what they want remember the transparency that was promised 4 years ago?Along with serious prayer and fasting, we must ask any questions that we need answers for and hold the candidate accountable and look at their track record and not give the benefit of the doubt!A liar or a scoundrel in the past will most likely be a liar and a scoundrel in the future unless they have experienced the new birth!But even with the new birth, let them go to heaven as another pastor and not as the leader or administrator in our conference!We have suffered enough and have long enough been the laughingstock of every last regional conference and some of the white ones in North America!My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge!!!!!!!!!!!This might be the beginning of the end of regional conferences!So long to regional retirement the man has had his eye on it and figured a way to stop it !how do we know SL was not sent here to do just that?Just saying a snake is a snake is a snake!

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    • Anonymous says:

      Glad you figured out another piece of the puzzle: He is here to wreck the SWRC so it can be absorbed into the state conferences! He is going to succeed if this blog is a good cross section of the constituents.

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  23. FROM THE RIGHT says:

    Anonymous…

    I would like to take a shot at your question to the Red Barron.

    First we need to know who we are voting for? What is their platform for a better SWRGC?Why do they want to serve? How will they lead? What experience do they have? How will they meet current crises? Who is driving their coalition? What is their background? Where did they come from? What churches did they serve and how did they lead? Morally what is their life like?

    Mr. Candidate, please state your leadershp style and how you lead your churches. What success did you have leading them.

    What did you really accomplish as department or administrative leader?

    What is your family like and your marriage?

    How will you implement Rev. 14:6-12, the core of Adventism in the SWRGC.

    Do you have any conflict resolution skills? Please state how you would resolve conflict X.

    Are you a people and member person or a traveler?

    Do you have any experience outside of ministry leading people?

    How would you handle the presentt financial crisis?

    What do you know about human resources?

    What experience do they have leading people?

    What is your relationship to Christ?

    Tell me why you love ministry?

    If we had these answers before the election the voting delegates could be educated before they get to the meeting. The nominating could call each candidate in for interviews before they decide.

    Then, the nominated candidate could state his platform for success to the entire body before any vote is taken.

    Along with a brief resume of service, answering these question should be mandatory and not compiled by the present administration.

    GETTING THESE ANSWERS MIGHT HELP IN FINDING A COMPASSIONATE AND GREAT LEADER.

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    • Anonymous says:

      There is a David and a Samuel among us. Go back to basics: Pray earnestly to God and ask Him to send Samuel to bring us our David

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      • From The Right says:

        But what about what Jesus said. “Occupy till I come.” He meant that we still have deal with the real physical reality of the world.

        Please say something that has some reality. Are you smoking the pipe tonight?

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      • Anonymous says:

        Oh dear, you like most declare a belief in prayer but not willing to put it to the test. Sigh

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      • ANONYMOUS says:

        That is my prayer!

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  24. The Red Barron says:

    Those who don’t learn from history are destined to repeat it.To go from one Hitler to another Hitler has just about killed SWRC!How many Hitlers do we go through before we realize that we are self destructing!We are the real culprit!We slander libel and defame our colleagues if they look like they may be ready for promotion ie: a bigger church or conference position or heaven forbid ADMINISTRATION!Each worker should be encouraged and helped to reach their full potential!Whatever their profession they should be helped and encouraged to do their level best!The naysayers and negative speaking people should not be given a platform which does not mean everybody has to be a yes man.Quite contrary but the people who are known to be faith killers should not be given a platform in the community of faith.How dare we look to worldly organizations as a model for the house of faith!We have the Stewardship Message but we resort to worldly solutions instead?No!We have the health message that the world is making big money on yet we force some of our pastors into unhealthy situations and ridicule them for being unhealthy due to unreasonable demands and expectations!Now is the time to get rid of all the Hitlers,devils,and hypocrites ,and give them a one way ticket out of here!Hit the Road Jack and don’t you come back no more!

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    • ICE says:

      I like your comment. Frank and a newcomer Dino are back. It’s bad news.

      Keep the faith baby

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    • FROM THE RIGHT says:

      Anonymous…

      I would like to take a shot at your question to the Red Barron.

      First we need to know who we are voting for? What is their platform for a better SWRGC?Why do they want to serve? How will they lead? What experience do they have? How will they meet current crises? Who is driving their coalition? What is their background? Where did they come from? What churches did they serve and how did they lead? Morally what is their life like?

      Mr. Candidate, please state your leadershp style and how you lead your churches. What success did you have leading them.

      What did you really accomplish as department or administrative leader?

      What is your family like and your marriage?

      How will you implement Rev. 14:6-12, the core of Adventism in the SWRGC.

      Do you have any conflict resolution skills? Please state how you would resolve conflict X.

      Are you a people and member person or a traveler?

      Do you have any experience outside of ministry leading people?

      How would you handle the presentt financial crisis?

      What do you know about human resources?

      What experience do they have leading people?

      What is your relationship to Christ?

      Tell me why you love ministry?

      If we had these answers before the election the voting delegates could be educated before they get to the meeting. The nominating could call each candidate in for interviews before they decide.

      Then, the nominated candidate could state his platform for success to the entire body before any vote is taken.

      Along with a brief resume of service, answering these question should be mandatory and not compiled by the present administration.

      GETTING THESE ANSWERS MIGHT HELP IN FINDING COMPASSIONATE AND GREAT LEADER.

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  25. FROM THE RIGHT says:

    I am appalled at what I am hearing coming out of the headquarters of the SWRGC. The truth to be told is, the SWRGC was not in this financial trouble when Elder Wright left office. I am an eye witness to that.

    I too as stated before was on that ExCom when Elder Green tearfully resigned. He could not handle the treasury and when he moved to Secretary, well, you figure it out….the SWRGC is now $300,000+ in the hole. The President will tell a good story how none of this was his doing. If you believe his stories you will be fooled. And being fooled is of the devil.

    Why should careers be destroyed by irresponsibility?

    Why should employees and members have to suffer at the expense of bad management? Have you noticed that the office is untouched and are not experiencing any terminations, additional workloads, reductions or incentive exits?

    NOT ONE EMPLOYEE SHOULD EXPERIENCE THE EFFECTS OF THESE BAD DECISIONS UNTIL THE OFFICE HAS BEEN EXHAUSTED WITH :TERMINATIONS, INCENTIVE EXITS, FORCED RETIREMENTS, RELOCATIONS, LAYOFFS, DOUBLED UP RESPONSIBILITIES, ASSIGNED PASTORAL DUTIES TO ADMINISTRATORS AND DEPARTMENTAL DIRECTORS.

    The Executive Committee’s sworn duty is to protect you from the bad decisions of a rogue administration. The SWRGC is supposed to be our Little Brother!

    WHY? Because the so called top by exemptions says that the local church/employee level is a dispensible bottom and it should pay for Sam Green’s, Terrel McCoy’s, Nancy Jone’s, Gordon Jones’, Terry Foster’s irresponsible mistakes. This means the top has no respect for local church authority. It is a beast in the wild gone crazy!

    It is time to act people! PLEASE ACT NOW!

    To me it seems as if this it is a repeat of history.

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  26. Uncle Remus says:

    This makes me more than glad!

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  27. LEFT BEHIND says:

    TO NO FEAR….YOU NAILED IT!

    Glad to hear from you again NO FEAR. We need you back with your timely comments. I agree with you on your above comments.

    But, what next? Can we afford another regime of failed decisions?

    Will we allow the same three to take over the Large Committee and nominating Committee? Will the delegates once again allow Cox to form a coalition with delegates from the Large Churches for his OWN interest? What about the rest of the members who deserve a fair election? Have NO FEAR Cox is hear! Will he traumatize the Large and small Committees once again or will you pull the power on his tower?

    Grace Temple and City Temple our flagship Churches to whom the rest of our small churches look to for leadership must remember, by your size you will be heard but God will be pleased if you do not allow what happen last election to occur again this time–led by Frank, Dino and Jerry.

    No Fear, we need you to come up with proposals and solutions. I am hearing that the Conference is experiencing a $300,000 short fall. They are blaming the members for lack of giving. I believe that it is the result of distrust and the members are voting with their pocket books.

    Whoever will be the next leader cannot repeat the same failed policies this administration had made.

    LEFT BEHIND

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  28. ICE says:

    Dear Anonymous….

    This is ICE. I’m trying to get out of the cold. Some of the comments are not really bad because it is someone who is expressing their FRUSTRATION. This is good considering that it might be preventing a worker from going “POSTAL.”

    When someone loses an income that affects them personally and the walls of “how to make” it close in, the mind sometimes loses a positive vision for their future. When this happens POSTAL happens. POSTAL COULD HAPPEN RIGHT HERE IN THE SWRGC. The SWRGC has no forum for employees and members to vent their frustration or concerns be for Administration acts unilaterally.

    I don’t think Green, Foster, McCoy, Jones, N. Jones, the EXCom, the Ad Hoc Com considered the efffects of their decisions. Oh, you can throw in Brooks too, the finance Com Chair and member of the Ad Hoc Com. Brooks is a climber who the former President brought in knowing what he was “clothed” with. Instead of him givng mercy and showing concern, Brooks was involved in the merciless moves without a winkle of an eye of mercy. Will he be your next Secretary, President or Departmental leader? Because like G. Jones his eyes are on the glass tower prize too.

    The only viable solution that I can see is to put all of the mentioned above on ice and throw them out this coming Septetember. I believe that a radical protest is needed at all three meetings. We need to scale the tower and pull the power. Why? Most likely the Union SW President will not listen to pastors and constituents and do all that he can to put HIS MAN IN. When church men and women with brave and courageous pastors take the floor THEY WILL LISTEN AND CHANGE WILL HAPPEN FOR THE GOOD OF ALL!

    If Cox, Ford and others really wanted peace and progress, they would at least make an honest effort to bring all political interests to the table with reconciliation and an agreeable plan to the election that would get through the constituents. But they won’t because they are imprisoned by their selfish interest.

    I thought that I would never say this publically but if Ford changed, really changed, he could be a very good President. But, can you live above criticism and respect the rights of those you serve to advise you critically? Would you be a person like other Presidents who milked the system? Would you have a secret agenda that excludes others? Would you listen? Would you maintain the status quo as it is now? Ministers have said to me that they fear you if you were elected–negative perception—can you overcome this feeling that many have toward you? Would you be a compassionate leader? Would you be vindictive? Would you support Cox even when he is wrong? Would you stop your political gaming? Would you consider the abilities of all ministers and workers as different but as succesful as you are without prejudice of their different talents, gifts and abilitites?

    Obama had to ditch Jeremiah Wright in order to end a controversy that threatened his election to be President. Can you do this too?

    Will open the doors for all Pastors instead of the few? Can you recreat in the past what he all shared in common–great relationshipes?

    Well…. The present campground is a living proof of your leadership and that place would not be where it is if it was not for your leaderhip! You shared your budget with other ministers–and even though some may have disagreed with you, we undertood you and allowed you to be D. Ford. But the one trait that workers fear is being unforgivable and vindictive!

    When President Clinton lost as Governor to former Governor White in Arkansas, Clinton said it was the best thing that ever happen to him. Why? Clinton said that “he learned from his mistakes!” We all make mistakes and D. Ford you have made some. Have you learned from them and can you put them behind you? IF could, you could be our greatest president–ever. No doubt you have earned it because you gave your blood to for this Conference. But will you? Could you move the pendelum to the side of right and put all things behind you?

    I’d like to know what are your viable solutions anonymous? It is a mentality that we need to get rid of with a notice on the next administration we are not having it. Already, the Constituion and bylaws Committee are addressing these concerns so they won’t happen again– most likely because of this blog.

    This is ICE. It’s cold in here. Chillllllllllllllllllllllllllll

    ICE

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    • Anonymous says:

      Elder Ford is a leader. Of course no leader can be totally transparent, why? Weak minded people, and the church is full of them. We are a society who thrives on dishonesty, it’s the norm. What you fear from Elder Ford is not an issue. He just likes to spout off but he is not vindictive. You will know he is coming for you because he would have already warned you. As to his megalomanic friend, now that’s a problem:-)
      I have no viable options. I do know however, that you all are in a dire strait, and it’s a dastardly one.. It is so because of disloyalty to each other. You all will make a pact to stand firm at constituency and the first pastor who is brave enough to hit the mike, the moment he gets cut down by the Union president, the rest will scatter. Self preservation is the name of the game with these guys, and who can blame them. It’s hostile in the field! I have seen it many times. Another reason you fail at the mike, you come ill prepared. Know your rules and by laws, history, policies. Arm yourself with documentation. Practice your rebuttals etc. It takes the kind of work that many is not willing to put in. Another thing that makes you look weak is your poor diction and grammar! Come on! Get in the mirror and practice, practice, practice! Learn the art of war. In this case the art of debate. Arm yourselves. You can do it!

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      • grass roots talking says:

        Anyone who really knows Ford knows that he is vindictive, and power hungry.

        You still have not stated your viable options.

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      • Roll Call says:

        Anonymous….

        I have to weigh in on this one. That person who calls himself ICE has given an accurate balanced, sincere and honest depiction of Mr. Ford. Yes, the pastor can be nice when he wants to but when it comes to power and control he can be a maniac. People remembered him at elections years back as that SWAT Cop who carried a gun and walked a vicious dog around the camp ground. The President at the time went to Ford and told him that he could not carry a gun on the grounds even though he was the camp sup. Should the President really have to tell him that? He can”t even get over that comical Frank, Dino and Jerry stuff.

        But besides all this I have to agree with ICE that he has leadership qualities and could perform well if he changed as ICE pointed out. Believe it or not leaders can change themselves for the better and reinvent a new image of themselves. I’d like to see Ford make a sincere effort. But can the electorate take that chance for another four or five years? Presently, with no change,under his leadership I see firings and mass relocations.

        Apparently you see only one side. When he was Ministerial he consolidated his work and overlapped into other departments. Until the division between him and the President took place he structured the relocations that basically moved most of the pastors helping some and hurting others. He has denied this as fact as if it never happened.

        Vindictive….yes! Like ICE said no one is perfect.

        Your comment is full of hyperbole. State your options…I’d like to hear them!

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      • ICE says:

        ANONYMOUS….

        Even though I disagree with you in regard to Ford–some what, I like the fact that you are defending him–something needed on this blog discussion.

        Most of us have been waiting to hear from Ford or someone in his political camp to lay out his opinions and positions. Ford should come on this blog and state his platform as to what he would do if elected President. Is he a coward to do so? He is a preacher includend in your recent comment of sad and cowardly pastors.

        By the way, I might even vote for him come this election because of inspite of his negative baggage he has great leadership skills and most certainly would be better than what we currently have. He has successful pastoral skills and he is a person that you could really talk too–missing in this present leadership. BUT I STILL FEAR WHAT HE WOULD DO!

        ROLL CALL: You know how to say it right—listen to him Anonymous–he makes a lot of good common sense.

        It’s cold in here! We need some ice picks! CHILL OUT!

        ICE

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    • Anonymous says:

      Grass Roots:
      I stated earlier that I do not have a viable option. It’s up to you pastors to come up with one. Elder Ford could be a viable option. Everyone has a streak of vindictiveness in them, it’s in the handling of the streak that counts.
      Roll Call:
      I have no viable options.
      Hyperbole was not my intent. If the pastors are not united and factually ready when they take the mike nothing will change. But why should they? Church members are the biggest anti-pastors
      My other peeve is:
      Nothing will be accomplished ny the ExCom. These are mostly members who cannot afford to fly anywhere and sleep in hotels, they get to do that each meeting. They also get first hand info from the meeting. For some, it’s their only glimpse into the quasi corporate world. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO ROCK THE BOAT! The pastors on there keep quiet for pretty much the same reason. Sad state of affairs

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      • Roll Call says:

        I am agreeing with you now that you have explained what you mean. It is sad to say that many of our pastors are cowards and would rather for members to get dirty defending them. Too many pastors have selfish interest that neglects everyone else and promotes them. Sad to say you nailed the target dead center. The recent demise of one pastor in the Dallas area is an example. Even the former President let him go his grave.

        I look at Ford at this point as a person who is consistently overwhelmed with long term anger. Basically unless he transforms himself, if elected he would resort to the same destructive practices played out at the camp ground during his watch. Great leaders know how to transform themselves and live above petty crap.

        EVERYONE HAS OPTIONS! EVERYONE HAS AN INTEREST! DOING NOTHING IS AN OPTION! SAYING NOTHING IS AN OPTION!

        You cannot compare a non profit with government political entities. For instance, we borrowed a shareholders concept back in the day. When there is no transparancey in a shareholder’s system trust erodes. When that happens people shut down their trust. What’s killing this administration at the present is lack of shareholder’s confidence because they were deliberately non transparent.

        Anyone close to Ford who knows him well will testify that vindictiveness is a part of his chemistry. Yes all of us are capable of being vindictive but there is a time when you have to let it go—or be FROZEN!

        With the ExCom they cannot be left off the hook. They voted for the recommendations that have taken our conference under. So ALL of them should be accountable at this next election.

        Thank you for you sincere comment. KEEP THE FAITH-BABY!

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  29. johnny cohran says:

    work harder not smarter

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  30. johnny cohran says:

    too much clucking going on so that means there are alot of chickens up in here!

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    • Anonymous says:

      Instead of name calling, spend your energy coming up with viable solutions please

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      • Anonymous says:

        Dear Anonymous….

        This is ICE. I’m trying to get out of the cold. Some of the comments are not really bad because it is someone who is expressing their FRUSTRATION. This is good considering that it might be preventing a worker from going “POSTAL.”

        When someone loses an income that affects them personally and the walls of “how to make” it close in, the mind sometimes loses a positive vision for their future. When this happens POSTAL happens. POSTAL COULD HAPPEN RIGHT HERE IN THE SWRGC. The SWRGC has no forum for employees and members to vent their frustration or concerns be for Administration acts unilaterally.

        I don’t think Green, Foster, McCoy, Jones, N. Jones, the EXCom, the Ad Hoc Com considered the efffects of their decisions. Oh, you can throw in Brooks too, the finance Com Chair and member of the Ad Hoc Com. Brooks is a climber who the former President brought in knowing what he was “clothed” with. Instead of him givng mercy and showing concern, Brooks was involved in the merciless moves without a winkle of an eye of mercy. Will he be your next Secretary, President or Departmental leader? Because like G. Jones his eyes are on the glass tower prize too.

        The only viable solution that I can see is to put all of the mentioned above on ice and throw them out this coming Septetember. I believe that a radical protest is needed at all three meetings. We need to scale the tower and pull the power. Why? Most likely the Union SW President will not listen to pastors and constituents and do all that he can to put HIS MAN IN. When church men and women with brave and courageous pastors take the floor THEY WILL LISTEN AND CHANGE WILL HAPPEN FOR THE GOOD OF ALL!

        If Cox, Ford and others really wanted peace and progress, they would at least make an honest effort to bring all political interests to the table with reconciliation and an agreeable plan to the election that would get through the constituents. But they won’t because they are imprisoned by their selfish interest.

        I thought that I would never say this publically but if Ford changed, really changed, he could be a very good President. But, can you live above criticism and respect the rights of those you serve to advise you critically? Would you be a person like other Presidents who milked the system? Would you have a secret agenda that excludes others? Would you listen? Would you maintain the status quo as it is now? Ministers have said to me that they fear you if you were elected–negative perception—can you overcome this feeling that many have toward you? Would you be a compassionate leader? Would you be vindictive? Would you support Cox even when he is wrong? Would you stop your political gaming? Would you consider the abilities of all ministers and workers as different but as succesful as you are without prejudice of their different talents, gifts and abilitites?

        Obama had to ditch Jeremiah Wright in order to end a controversy that threatened his election to be President. Can you do this too?

        Will open the doors for all Pastors instead of the few? Can you recreat in the past what he all shared in common–great relationshipes?

        Well…. The present campground is a living proof of your leadership and that place would not be where it is if it was not for your leaderhip! You shared your budget with other ministers–and even though some may have disagreed with you, we undertood you and allowed you to be D. Ford. But the one trait that workers fear is being unforgivable and vindictive!

        When President Clinton lost as Governor to former Governor White in Arkansas, Clinton said it was the best thing that ever happen to him. Why? Clinton said that “he learned from his mistakes!” We all make mistakes and D. Ford you have made some. Have you learned from them and can you put them behind you? IF could, you could be our greatest president–ever. No doubt you have earned it because you gave your blood to for this Conference. But will you? Could you move the pendelum to the side of right and put all things behind you?

        I’d like to know what are your viable solutions anonymous? It is a mentality that we need to get rid of with a notice on the next administration we are not having it. Already, the Constituion and bylaws Committee are addressing these concerns so they won’t happen again– most likely because of this blog.

        This is ICE. It’s cold in here. Chillllllllllllllllllllllllllll

        ICE

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  31. frederick douglass says:

    how did foster oops i mean that mole get into this conference anyway?

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  32. frederick douglass says:

    He does look like a mole and we need to stop his behind right away!

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    • Anonymous says:

      You are not able to stop anything. Remember, no loyalty. Plus, he is employed, not elected. How do you plan on getting him out? You are all asleep, that’s why the mole was able to scoot right in. You gals are doomed. Sorry

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      • Election Moments in History says:

        A person can be put out of the office who is an Under Treasurer. The Constituency Meeting is the highest governing body and they could fire or choose not to allow someone to return.

        Foster came in through Green after the election but remember they did not returen Dr. Henry.

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  33. frederick douglass says:

    before you start tripping,my advice is exactly like that part in the bible that applies to that particular situation!

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  34. frederick douglass says:

    PS 32 churches have been delinquent in sending their tithes and offerings so do not be afraid of thinking are you the only one!

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  35. frederick douglass says:

    Forget Rally Days start sending your tithes and offerings to the disenfranchised workers and let Big Dawg,Lil Wimpy and Shirley our poodle and gordon Lucky come up with another realignment plan!We are the ones who pay their salary so we need to be calling the shots! They work for us and the Lord but we pay their salaries and if they want to play favorites ,let’s show them how it is done!The Lord told us in as much as ye have done it unto the least of these my brethren , ye have done it unto me!So let’s start sending the tithes and offerings to the disenfranchised pastors who have really been kicked in the groin by these unto ward fake/// so called christian administrators!Lets start doing this today and faithfully until election time then vote these hoodlums out of office lock stock and barrel!We can do this quietly and privately and when your treasure shows amounts of tithes and offerings going to the conference on the monthly report sent from conference you will see what affect it is having!This will be a fair and equitable way of dealing with the unfairness and outright dishonesty that this administration has fostered!Please remember that word foster!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Anonymous says:

      Finally someone mentioned the culprit, the anti-pastors #Foster. He is not an elected official so what are you all going to do with that. He is the Mole, the brain behind Green’s evils to the Ministers. You all will sit back and allow those two to bankrupt this conference and allow us to be absorb by the State conferences. From my observations over the years it will happen. Why? Ministers behave like women, no loyalty. Sad

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  36. frederick douglass says:

    I am afraid that the police who are running around shooting innocent black men,have more scruples and morals than the present conference administration because they are not hiding under the aegis of SDA “Christianity!!I expect those racists bigots to behave like the animals that they show themselves to be but these conference officials know better and therefore are without excuse!No doubt about it the Lord will get them one day but how do you think He feels about those of us who keep electing these sorry rascals into a state of payback,retribution,hatred,impotence,malice,malfeasance,ennui,regret,and fear!

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  37. martin luther king junior says:

    Big Dawg says he used to be a black muslim but how do you know he is not still a muslim?Does he really remind you of Jesus?From the way he and his cronies did Sister Turner to the way he is operating now,do you really think he is not a muslim?Just saying!

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  38. BAD LEROY BROWN says:

    If i diidn’t know any better I would classify Sam,Terrell, Nancy ,and Gordon were mere terrorists of the Isis regime!There i s no way they could pass themselves off as “christians”!What kind of christian leader sets up people to go into a dangerous or sure to fail situation?They should be tarred feathered and lynched!Thank God for OSHA and Johnny Cochran!Johnny the truth is that these workers need to fight for themselves and fully arm themselves with outside resources!Asking the devil to help yu from his attacks will only amuse the devil!Get outside help!Expose these criminals,sue them and make sure that they or anyone like them are never put into positions to devise and use weapons of mass destruction!These spiritual terrorists are more dangerous than isis could ever be!
    What kind of background check is done on people that are elected to office?If you people keep electing psychopaths and sociopaths into leadership positions ,then you get what you asked for!!Don’t wait for September get these devils out of the office now!Hit the road and don’t come back no more!These good for nothing whited sepulchers!

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  39. PEACEFUL PROTEST AND DEMONSTRATION COMING THIS CONSTITUENCY MEETING says:

    NOTICE TO PROTEST! NOTICE TO PROTEST! NOTICE TO PROTEST!

    Press release for immediate distribution…..

    WHERE: AT THE UPCOMING NOMINATING COMMITTEE AND CONSTITUENCY MEETING

    When: AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER 2015

    WHY: TO PROTEST AGAINST THE SWRGC ADMINISTRATION FOR MISUSE AND ABUSE OF THEIR AUTHORITY AND NO TRANSPARENCY!

    We need 100 brave Christian members and pastors to stage a peaceful protest and demonstration who believe that the SWRGC Administration unlawfully terminated, relocated, retired employees as methods to cover-up their mismanagement of funds and because the employees had nothing to do with leadership’s mismanagement. The employees and member were their scapegoat!

    We will demand thorough and truthful answers to their overspending and lack of transparency.

    We will demand that none of the Administrators or personnel who had anything to do with terminations and mismanagement of the Conference not to be returned to their offices they currently hold.

    We demand that all churches within the SWRGC be informed weeks/months in advance of any major purchases such as land, buildings, equipment churches etc. in writing and ample opportunity to address these matters before they take place.

    We demand transparency of global relocations and terminations of employees before they are voted by the Executive Committee.

    We demand an official SWRGC social media site where we can register and discuss these matters before they occur.

    We demand that the SWRGC Administration follow the strategic plan paid for by the constituency but never followed and properly implemented.

    We demand that Executive Committee members as a part of their office assignment, visit their area churches to explain what has occurred at their meetings.

    We demand a full General Conference audit in common language and explained and can be understood at the Constituency Meeting. And that any misappropriations of leadership should not be glossed over from the constituents.

    PLEASE COPY AND SEND THIS MESSAGE TO ALL WHO WANT TO SEE TRANSPARENCY!

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    • Anonymous says:

      I plan to be there. WHERE DO WE MEET?

      Somebody get in touch with LeRoy Brown and Johny Cochran. Let’s make SDA history by sending a real message that will change the our official leads.

      Don’ts tell Lucky, he’s not with us. A sell out.

      How do we inform the retirees and empoyees who have been terminaated?

      Let’s do it!

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  40. Anonymous and Mad.... says:

    TWO OBSERVATIONS:

    1: Look out into ministry and you will see that several men who have have been involved in the recent realignments have come to our Conference after a moral failure. They are being held in some esteem by some of you as, deserving pastors. Now I believe in forgiveness and restoration, but not at the expense of those who did not fall from grace such as the ministers mentioned above as the five cries. Please count the number of the fallen names and investigate the extended effects of their misadventures. At least several and particularly one, amazing grace was extended. Why didn’t the Conference extend amazing grace to the 5 cries? And why are they not on Executive Committee watch to safe guard church members? Why have church members not been alerted about their improprieties?

    2: Sam Green has taken NO responsibility for what happen in the last 3 ½ years. Not even for the financial collapse of the Conference, the Incentive reduction of workers program, over spending at the camp ground, termination of workers, the 5 cries, or anything else. When you talk to him he will tell you that he is executing the decisions of the AD HOC COMMITTEE and a bad Executive Committee with some difficult members as he has stated publicly at the last encampment. It is true that an ad hoc committee over saw some of the moves, but Green bypassed the personnel committee as well as the building committee resulting in terminations, overspending at the camp ground etc. If I were one of Green’s list of so called BAD EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, I would give him “hell fire” until the end of his term and revoke budget to San Antonio. I would recent anyone who said anything about the truthful intent of this blog–because administration has given us little truth if not none.

    The two observations point to a President who will not take responsibility for these cries as being preventable.The President is responsible for the good and the bad under his watch just like Obama and his cabinet. The President could have invoked his veto and gone on the record of being against the terminations and other matters that were harmful but he never did.

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  41. Anonymous says:

    What goes around, comes around. This is a familiar phase that many knows. There was a time in the past when one of the former president of the conference terminated some pastors. It was never made cleared why these pastors were terminated or what steps was taken to help these pastors to prevent termination. So here we go again, terminating pastors but this time several reasons are given as to why these pastors are terminated. I am unable to agree that reasons for their terminations as just or fair. I only know that we move God out the equation of history that history will repeat itself. The Word teach us that will allow just pain to come to bring us back to Him.If prayerful consideration and waiting for God’s answer was not done. It was done unjustly. I know only that God’s will will be done if we trust God. We, all need to pray that God’s will be done in this time in our church history. Let us put self aside and let God take control of our conference and churches. For God will correct all injustice, all mistreatment, all abuse, all character attacks on his people and his church. I must remind us that we have nothing to fear for the future unless we forget how God had led us in the pass.

    No Fear

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    • ICE says:

      DEAR ANONYMOUS
      ….
      Thank you for your insightful comment.

      I would like for you to think for just a moment as we digest your comment. Human suffering is a human condition brought to us by an individual act of disobedience. When Jesus walked this earth he addressed the true meaning of the Sabbath through healing on the 7th day. Christ’s message to all of us was that “relieving suffering and pain was alright on the Sabbath.” Yet, his message to those who lived in deliberate contradiction was that their were self righteous and wrong. Jesus acted immediately regardless of what His present day LEADERSHIP thought.

      Anonymous we live in the ALREADY not the NOT YET. All kinds of people are suffering from human means and methods. Because we do not live in the NOT YET, God does not expect you or me to sit idle and do nothing about human suffering while we still live in the ALREADY. Pastors are suffering TODAY regardless of our political correctness or incorrectness.

      Our leaders are political regardless whether we like the idea that politics exists. It is a fact of life. Without accountability, to answer the question WHY their decisions will never be challenged to see if they are NOT BEING OF GOD’S WILL. When this goes unanswered we end up with abuse of power, authority and self justification of our leaders actions. YOU and me will be held accountable for NOT DOING ANYTHING during this interim of the ALREADY and THE NOT YET. Jesus said we are to OCCUPY till he comes in this imperfect world. If someone next door to you needs your help and you can help them would you act? Well then, an abused suffering pastor is your neighbor!

      THIS PRESENT DISCUSSION IS NOT ABOUT HATRED OF OUR LEADERS BUT ABOUT HOW THEY ARE ACTING TOWARD THEIR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

      WHEN IS LAND MORE IMPORTANT THAN RELIEVING HUMAN SUFFERING OR NOT CONSIDERING WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO PASTORS WHO HAVE GIVEN THE BEST YEARS OF THEIR LIVES TO JESUS?

      What to do about the Camp ground has always led to financials issues in this Conference.

      Because our present leadership gives you an answer to quail your feedback does not mean their statements are accurate, righteous and true. Accountability means questioning their decisions before they are enacted. But we will never know until they tell us before they are enacted.

      The fact that you contributed to this discussion is admirable and shows that you are concerned. But what shall we do after we have prayed—nothing? Writing our leaders or addressing them through this blog is a start—to let them know that we are not pleased with some of their decisions. To compare today to what happen yesterday as justification and reason to do nothing is illogical. God is acting NOW through people who want to end suffering, pain and the destruction of their brothers and sisters. Pastors are your brothers and sisters—the LEVITES! ….Even when the SWRGC does not want to take care of the Levites.

      PEACE OUT! BY THE WAY, IT’S COLD IN HERE….

      ICE

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    • LEFT BEHIND says:

      TO NO FEAR….YOU NAILED IT!

      Glad to hear from you again NO FEAR. We need you back with your timely comments. I agree with you on your above comments.

      But, what next? Can we afford another regime of failed decisions?

      Will we allow the same three to take over the Large Committee and nominating Committee? Will the delegates once again allow Cox to form a coalition with delegates from the Large Churches for his OWN interest? What about the rest of the members who deserve a fair election? Have NO FEAR Cox is hear! Will he traumatize the Large and small Committees once again or will you pull the power on his tower?

      Grace Temple and City Temple our flagship Churches to whom the rest of our small churches look to for leadership must remember, by your size you will be heard but God will be pleased if you do not allow what happen last election to occur again this time–led by Frank, Dino and Jerry.

      No Fear, we need you to come up with proposals and solutions. I am hearing that the Conference is experiencing a $300,000 short fall. They are blaming the members for lack of giving. I believe that it is the result of distrust and the members are voting with their pocket books.

      Whoever will be the next leader cannot repeat the same failed policies this administration had made.

      LEFT BEHIND

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  42. I'M NOT A CHICKEN! says:

    WERE YOU BORN A CHICKEN–PASTOR?

    A FABLE: A terrorizing wolf had his eyes on a chicken for a meal one morning. After chasing the chicken around the barn, the wolf caught the chicken only after some real effort. The exhausted wolf now with the captured chicken in his tighten jaws, and before delivering the final goodnight crunch, the vicious wolf suddenly relaxes for a moment to ask the chicken a final question: “Why do you run from everything and never put up a real fight to defend yourself?” With one last desperate breath, the chicken squeaked out his final last words: “Because I’m chicken.” CRUNCH!

    To all of the ministers who fail to stand up for yourselves and sit back as a frighten chicken allowing your fellow soldiers to be terrorized in the manner that this administration has done, you are CHICKEN! CRUNCH TO YOU CHICKENS.

    I say to all of you: “shame on you guys for not standing for right and the wounded men who have been affected by this President. STOP BEING A CHICKEN!

    I’M NOT ACHICKEN

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    • NOT CHICKEN says:

      Although I am not from that group, I have been around them in a support role. They have no path to fairness and when we think we are getting someone we trust, it always turns out incorrect. We do not have a lot of capable leaders here but we do have some. I can think of 4 or 5 that we have that have had no opportunity to lead and that are outstanding, 3 are considered to be scholarly even by their peers, 2-3 of them have outstanding sermons all the time because they prepare extremely well before they speak to you. One is an outstanding evangelist recognized nationally, and has Union experience. Of course we can see that always is not a guarantee for success. If you just look around and ask for guidance from the almighty, he promises to direct our paths. The ministers here are not chicken, they just can’t take the chance to trust anyone at this point, because it just might cost them their livelihood. But constituents, just don’t you worry, I plan to be at Constituency this time again God willing, and I will have for you information to help you choose from the best we have. We are always asking for this and no one never has any dossier’s, resumes or CV’s whatever you call it. I know them all and I will have it for you. There is no need to go outside this conference when we have capable leaders right here. You do not need to listen to anyone including your own Pastor who says _______is running. Our church does not operate that way, but when we let a organized group of pastors or political know it alls rule, well we get what we got rather than a fair system. A system that will look at Pastoral leadership and success to be able to understand Pastors that need this experience. People who have integrity and can stand up to members of the Executive committee if necessary, who also try to control everything. If you have not managed or built churches or schools, you already don’t know the issues. The problems we have now is one for the constituency. Please do be slack in your responsibility this time. Use your own noggin, pray, ask for God’s guidance and keep up with the blog. They have been getting deep into the business. I have no idea where they get information but some ministers do trust them. Whatever you do, don’t let any preacher tell you who to vote for. This time I have to believe God will be leading, ask for his wisdom.

      Not a chicken hater!

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  43. A young adult says:

    Church was boring today, so I got on facebook. Just wondering what other young people think. What kind of Christians are we?

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  44. An Anonymous Person Who Really Cares About You says:

    I FIND THIS HARD TO BELIEVE! IT HURTS MY STOMACH!

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  45. You have sown the wind now get ready to reap the whirlwind!Just being quiet is no exscuse so the people who sit quietly are part of the problem by being passive!What choice will you pick?Are you a part of the solution or part of the problem?Ask God for help to become brave and courageous enough to stand up to all the bulleying perpetuated by this gutless administration!

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  46. Maybe OSHA is the answer!Even religious nonprofit corporations are not exempt from laws in the workplace that demands fairness and safety!Can the same law that guarantees religious freedom to SDA’s prevent SDA’s from persecuting the aged and disabled and Uncle Sam give SDA’s a pass?What would Jesus do?If you believe in the “gentle Jesus meek and mild,you better think again!”
    Big Dawg I hope you have a strong heart because you are about to get a heaping helping of your own medicine!

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